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minimal
{{
cite report}}
: |format=
requires |url=
(
help)cite book
Counter example: cite journal
{{
cite journal}}
: |format=
requires |url=
(
help){{
cite journal}}
: |format=
requires |url=
(
help); Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help)This is currently affecting a FAC. Fifelfoo ( talk) 03:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
The |format=
parameter works as expected/sane in {{
cite web}}
but is worse than useless, downright confusing and weird, in the output of
Template:Cite book and possibly a few other templates in this series. Without an specified author, the output is especially inane, suggesting that a file format was the author:
With an explicit author it still doesn't make sense, implying that the date has a file format:
Template:Cite web does the sensible thing:
Template:Cite news and Template:Cite journal also do right:
It should always be after the URL. If (despite the clear documentation at
Template:Cite book/doc which says it is for the file format of something linked with |url=
) it's intended really for the format of the hardcopy ("pamphlet", "audiobook", etc.), then we have a problem and need a new parameter for that usage (|form=
maybe?), keeping |format=
consistent with all the other citation templates, in which it refers to the URL-linked item.
It might make sense to suppress display of |format=
in absence of a value in |url=
, but the position problem should be fixed immediately, regardless. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 20:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Just a comment, but there's not much point putting |format=PDF
for any URL that ends in .pdf or .PDF; MediaWiki detects that format automatically and shows a PDF icon; having the text "PDF" appear is redundant, since it doesn't convey anything not conveyed by file name extension:
Just my opinion, of course. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
|format=PDF
for PDFs that didn't end in a literal ".pdf" or ".PDF". I asking whether a screen reader user has any way to tell that the url is to a PDF file when it DOES end with one of those strings. Is there some button to push that will read the URL out? Or are screenreader users literally totally dependent on the |format=
parameter to know what format something is? I'm a bit skeptical that such dependency could be real, since the rest of the Web doesn't have |format=
labeling. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 21:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)The documentation for the CS1 templates varies, which is why I created Help:Citation Style 1. I have now created {{ Citation Style documentation}} to build the documentation pages with standardized chunks. Template specific parameters can be included manually. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
|TitleType=
work for periodicalsHi all. Thank you very much for maintaining this template. It sings, it dances, and it does almost everything I need. And it even handles |TitleType=
for books. But I recently noticed one problem: the |TitleType=
values that I pass are ignored for periodicals. For example:
Markup | Renders as |
---|---|
{{citation/core | Title = How Can I Track My Stolen Gadget? | TitleType = Ask a Geek column | Periodical = Popular Mechanics | Sep = . | PS = . }} |
"How Can I Track My Stolen Gadget?". Popular Mechanics. |
Instead, I'd like that markup to render as:
"How Can I Track My Stolen Gadget?". Ask a Geek column. Popular Mechanics.
I wonder if you could please enhance the template so that |TitleType=
will work for periodicals?
Cheers, -- Unforgettableid ( talk) 07:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
|at=
.
|at=
parameter is fine, and we really don't care whether we match Chicago 100%. Most of the world does not use their style, only Americans do. For this particular use, |at="Ask a Geek" column
is what you actually want (otherwise it begs the question "What is a 'Geek column', and why would I ask it something?"). —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 01:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)|at=
parameter generates the
COinS field pages
, which is meant to hold a page number. I suspect using |at=
for article types may break
automatic COinS OpenURL resolution for such refs. (If you've never seen automatic OpenURL resolution, visit your local university library, use Firefox to browse to some journal articles, then scroll down to the "References" section. Look for the find-it-in-your-library links added by a Web browser add-on.)|TitleType=
to specify that it can also be used for specifying periodical article types. Or, if people prefer, someone could add a new field to this template.{{ Citation/identifier}} was updated to allow the ASIN parameter to change the top-level domain for sites outside the US. This now needs to be supported in core. Now in sandbox:
Markup | Renders as |
---|---|
{{Citation/core |Title=The War of the Worlds |ASIN=B005PRJL26 |ASIN-TLD=co.uk}} |
The War of the Worlds, ASIN B005PRJL26 |
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Done ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk 15:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Et al. displays with two periods
Fixed in sandbox:
Ed/eds not followed by period if followed by date.
Fixed in sandbox:
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Done ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk 12:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Is there any way to move the "language" parameter after the title of books citations that do not include chapters?
Current format goes "Linnaeus (1753) (in Latin). Species Plantarum." and that just looks silly. Circéus ( talk) 20:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there is an extra separator before |Periodical=
{{citation/core |IncludedWorkTitle=IncludedWorkTitle |Periodical=Periodical}}
IncludedWorkTitle, , Periodical
Fixed in sandbox:
{{citation/core/sandbox |IncludedWorkTitle=IncludedWorkTitle |Periodical=Periodical}}
IncludedWorkTitle, , Periodical
Need to do some more testing. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm... that removes the separator after language:
{{citation/core/sandbox |IncludedWorkTitle=IncludedWorkTitle |Periodical=Periodical |language=language}}
IncludedWorkTitle, (in language), Periodical ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Some books have two titles (I'm not talking about subtitles). Please define a parameter for this (|title2=
/ |alttitle=
/ ...). This style is recommended by CMS for this purpose: Title; or, Second title (''Title''; or, ''Second title''
). --
Z 21:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
|isbn2=
. On the other hand, it's possible to convey information like this in a simple prose note between {{Cite book|...}}
and </ref>
. I guess it's really a question of whether following CMS style on this matter is worth the ParserFunctions overhead. There's no question that the information is good to include one way or another, as it can be major boon to
verifiability; the A–Z above, for example, is so large it would cost about US$30 in postage alone between the US and the UK, and this is entirely unnecessary, since the "local" version can probably be found in any large library. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 21:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)If I want to put a warning note like "(150 MB)" for a pdf file, where do I enter that? I'd expect it to be outside of and right after the title label (underlined text). - DePiep ( talk) 11:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=
. This will place it in parenthesis after the title. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk 14:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=
field value. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK 14:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=
. -
DePiep (
talk) 14:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)|format=150 Mb
solution does give the result I prefer (it is where I got the idea from). -
DePiep (
talk) 15:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
format=
this way, no other harm is possibly done except what is mentioned here? -
DePiep (
talk) 15:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
".pdf"
(upper or lower case). --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=HTML
as this is unneeded and against {{
cite web}} documentation. It also moves {{
dead link}} outside the citation per
Template:Dead link documentation. Otherwise no other changes.
rev 7907 Additional unit test: |format=
parameter not changed in citation template if contains (PDF) size information.
Rjwilmsi 21:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)}}
of the {{cite WHATEVER|...}}
template and before the closing </ref>
of the surrounding <ref name="EXAMPLE">...</ref>
. Using any kind of trickery to insert it into some other field, especially the title, is a blatant falsification of that parameter's data. Don't do it. Not even with |format=
, since "150 MB" is a size, not a format. There is no reason for every single thing that could ever possibly be said about a cited source somehow being stuffed into this or any other template. The citation templates should only contain data that, across most source citations, is considered useful for the purposes of citing the source. If consensus concludes that we do need to warn people about large files, then we need to add code such that, say, |oversized=150MB
will generate such a note, when used in the presence of |url=
and/or |archiveurl=
, and will do something sane when |format=
is present, and so on, consistently across all citation templates. I.e., this has to be discussed at
Template talk:Citation/core. I just moved it here. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 02:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=
is used appropriately, with the actual format specified, there's probably nothing wrong with adding the size, though: |format=PDF (150 MB)
. See elsewhere on this page for why we need to add "PDF" even though MediaWiki auto-generates a PDF icon. PS: Please note that it is 150 MB
, per
WP:MOSNUM, and that "Mb" means "megabits", not "megabytes". —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 02:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=
field will show in parentheses, so it would be better not to use them in the value. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk 17:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
|format=format, size unit
or, for obscure formats, |format=[[Format article|format]], size unit
—
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ
Contrib. 09:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)