Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Triangle References

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The result was: promoted by 97198 ( talk) 00:41, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Operation Triangle

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... that Lyndon Johnson approved Operation Triangle in Laos the month before the Vietnam War began? (99/121)

ALT1:... that U.S. President Lyndon Johnson approved Operation Triangle the month before the Tonkin Gulf Incident began the Vietnam War? (125/150)
ALT2:... that U.S. President Lyndon Johnson approved Operation Triangle the month before the Tonkin Gulf Incident? (107/124)
ALT3:... that Lyndon Johnson approved Operation Triangle the month before the Tonkin Gulf Incident? (94/114)
Reviewed: Fitzsimmons vs. Sharkey
Comment: Lyndon Johnson became famous for micromanaging military operations during the Vietnam War. Here I am presenting his first such known endeavor, when he oversaw a battle during the Laotian Civil War before Vietnam even heated up. I have included an embarrassment of riches for the hook, although they are variations on a theme. I even have supplied both the visible and edit view character counts for the reviewer. Enjoy.

Created by Georgejdorner ( talk). Self nominated at 18:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC).

The article history shows that this article was created in a single edit, with the edit summary "Import extensive article with references". Where was it imported from? Cambalachero ( talk) 14:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

My workspace.

Can you add a link to it? You have several workspaces Cambalachero ( talk) 13:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

While I wrote it in Work Area 6, I have since deleted it from there. Georgejdorner ( talk) 16:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

The historical significance of the matter is best highlighted by ALT1, though I'd suggest "that US President Lyndon Johnson" EEng ( talk) 06:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Guess I was a bit provincial there, thinking that everyone would know I meant an American president. I have added "U.S." to both hooks. Georgejdorner ( talk) 16:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I prefer ALT1. It is noteworthy to remind that the Tonkin Gulf Incident started the Vietnam War. I don't think it's so important to remind people that Lyndon Johnson was a US president, I think that he's a historical figure whose name is introduction enough, but doing so will not make any harm either (and there's always the chance that someone around there ignores who was Johnson) Cambalachero ( talk) 13:34, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

This review only discusses the hook; it does not mention any other DYK criteria such as newness, length, referencing, neutrality, close paraphrasing, or inline citation for the hook. Yoninah ( talk) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Could I have a real reviewer, please? Georgejdorner ( talk) 16:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Long enough (12,864 characters), new enough (created by Georgejdorner on November 3, 2014). QPQ done. Some problems: (1) There are bare URLs in the references. (2) I cannot find Johnson's explicit approval in the article or its sources. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 08:12, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
  - The bare URLs are a link to the PDF book I list as the first Reference. Sort of a "belt and suspenders" deal, so the reader can see for their self. However, I could always delete the URLs entirely and use a book reference.
  - As for LBJ's approval, let me quote from page 140 of Warner: "This took the form of Operation Triangle, a large-scale offensive approved directly by Lyndon Johnson...." On the Tonkin Gulf incident, look to page 141: "On July 30, 1964...South Vietnamese commandos opened fire on a North Vietnamese installation.... A few days later North Vietnamese patrol boats attacked the U.S. destroyer, the Maddox...." Georgejdorner ( talk) 16:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
    - I have clothed the bare URLs. Hook verified. Good to go. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 19:55, 15 November 2014 (UTC)