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New Zealand, Austria, Mexico, and Uruguay were added to the list of manufacturers. These countries are listed in The Sommelier Prep Course by Michael Gibson, published 2010 by John Wiley & Sons. Raist27 ( talk) 16:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
This is one of the more interesting topics in Wikipedia and it should have an article worthy of FA status. I would like to see a collaboration effort to try and get this article to FA by the end of the year. Any one interested in giving it a go? Agne 07:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I think not. There are still enormous archeological discoveries to be made in Armenia that are killing the wild Georgian speculations. We don't need a Joseph Stalin like propaganda to be arbitrated before the discoveries in Armenia can be implemented. There are still glaring inconsistencies with ancient maps and etc....People still have serious doubts with regards to the Georgian claims especially in light of the discoveries being made in Ancient Armenia. Those who control the past control the future. ["1984"]. I would like to see the world Churches get involved with this topic since Jesus Christ himself said this about wine: "This is my blood....." Monte Melkonian ( talk) 20:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Those three are the most glaring to me. Any other thoughts? Agne 08:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
This fork was very useful. Still the history section is too long. Why not shorten it? (by half?) Winetype ( talk) 20:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is their a contradiction on where wine originated? There is now archeological proof (oldest wine making operation discovered in Armenia) that wine originated in Armenia. Why is Georgia mentioned as the only place where wine originated when there have been no discovered operations other than in Armenia? These contradictions are confusing to the readers. Moreover, why isn't the Armenian word "Gini" (pronounced Keenee) in the Indo-European languages mentioned? Whys isn't the method/technology and culture (namely, language) of production of wine that was passed to other tribes by Armenians mentioned in the wine making process? Moreover, historically and culturally, why are semetic tribes mentioned in the language section when these tribes were nomadic and had no vineyards to tend to or pass on the technology? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 21:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Why include wild speculations without archeological proof that wine originated in Georgia? Isn't it true that the Georgian language is neither Indo-European or semetic? Then if so, why confuse the readers on how the technology/culture was passed to other tribes through language? These are just some thoughts that I find disturbing. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 21:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Please follow the guidelines of respect on this forum with Wikpedia. Archeological evidence by UCLA scientists is hardly shady. They have no atelier motives. However, proclaiming Georgian origination by Georgian paid scholars with wild speculations is not only self serving, but, indeed harms the neutrality of Wikpedia guidelines. There are no wine making operations discovered in what is the so-called "Modern" Georgia. Implying that Georgians invented wine just because they found some residue on wine jars in far off locations is indeed jarring. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
When Jesus Christ said "This is my blood...", was he talking about Joseph Stalin's Georgia? Or, was he talking about the First country to adopt Christianity like Armenia? Didn't Joseph Stalin spit out the wine in Church in exchange for power as the leader of the Communist Party? These are some the questions that have religious significance with regards to wine. I hope you have some succinct answers without engaging in bating. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
One of these is clearly a recolouring of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.79.253 ( talk) 06:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I find this part confusing: "Professor Valerie Beral from the University of Oxford and lead author of the The Million Women Study asserts that the positive health effects of red wine are "an absolute myth." Professor Roger Corder, author of The Red Wine Diet, counters that two small glasses of a very tannic, procyanadin rich wine would confer a benefit, although "most supermarket wines are low procyanadin and high alcohol."[69]" I don't understand why Beral thinks it is a myth, was this somehow indicated in the Million Women Study? I found an article [5] where she expresses concern for the link between alcohol and breast cancer. But this doesn't really mean that the positive health effects of red wine don't exist. So I think these quotes from the BBC article should be deleted, and possibly replaced with information about the breast cancer link. -- Aronoel ( talk) 17:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Removed a rather tall claim about wine being made "for thousands of years" based on "some Vedic scripture" [6], as it is based on a website www.indiamarks.com, which does not appear to be reliable source, especially for a claim like this. Athenean ( talk) 22:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
The recent edits of this article show that in addition to Georgia, wine also originated from Armenia. The claim about the oldest winery being discovered in some cave in Armenia as of January 2011 needs to be checked for accuracy. The only sources that I've found so far point to some articles in Armenia trying to claim that the oldest winery discovered so far is from one of the regions of that country. A thorough check and review of the sources that are included on this page would be sufficient to determine whether such claims are accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.43.1.66 ( talk) 06:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you two should see [8] and [9], I'm shure CNN and BBC aren't Armenian.-- Aram-van ( talk) 04:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Me personally, any sources from democrat countries and their scientists are more reliable than former communist aparachi such as Georgians and their beloved serial killer Joseph Stalin. The novels "1984" and "Animal Farm" by George Orwell were written just for Stalin himself. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Those who control the past control the future. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted an obscure (and broken) link, and reverted to the traditional, and widely cited view that the origin of is in the region of Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 ( talk) 20:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I want to add the following under the history of wine. The following sources come from the National Geographic and Booze Travelers a show made by the Travel Channel. Here is the following; Archaeological evidence has established the oldest-known winery originates from Armenia. [1] [2] Armenian Wine is at least, 6100 years old; 2000 years older than the Egyptian Pyramids. [3] [4] Ancient Armenia had special, ancient, rituals associated with wine drinking which was connected to fertility of young women. [5] Vitis Vinifera, is the oldest of wine grape species which originated in Armenia in the Areni-1 Cave Complex. Most of the wine found around the world, today; derives comes from the Vitis Vinifera grape from Ancient Armenia. [6] BobbyCole01 ( talk) 19:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
http://www.ioa.ucla.edu/publications/backdirt/backdirt-2011/Backdirt%202011.pdf BobbyCole01 ( talk) 22:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
So is the following evidence, above (UCLA) acceptable? BobbyCole01 ( talk) 20:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
As for direct evidence of wine, Georgia cannot be included, as the archaeologist, Stephen Batiuk, himself notes, "What is significant about this site is that it produced some of the earliest examples of domesticated grapes, which we believe were involved in the earliest production of wine" But for all we know, that could have been grape-juice. 2601:882:100:D7B0:8C86:663C:669D:3D0A ( talk) 02:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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User:BernhardtP recently made this edit to add a table showing wine versus beer consumption, ranked by ratio.
This is meaningless. The measurement is in units of liters of pure alcohol, which is fine when reporting just wine, but it's apples-to-oranges when comparing with non-wine. I mean, if the comparison was wine versus orange juice, or wine versus chicken broth, you couldn't use alcohol content, you'd have to use volume.
And that's the problem with this table. In terms of volume, assuming wine has 3 to 4 times the alcohol of beer, the table simply shows that the beer consumption in most countries equals or exceeds the wine consumption. So what? That isn't surprising.
Because it isn't a valid comparison, I am inclined to remove this table, but I want to see someone else comment first. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 22:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Native grapes were abundant in parts of the now-United Sates, but as far as I know, no wine-making was ever done by Native Americans. An explanation of this phenomenon if possible would be of interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.127.174 ( talk) 15:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Centralized discussion on such links in Further reading: here -- Ronz ( talk) 16:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Though Sicily certainly produces many interesting wines, I don't see why a book on Sicilian wine belongs in the bibliography of this article. Not because it is in Italian -- there are surely some valuable non-English-language books on wine that belong in the bibliography (e.g. something by Emile Peynaud) -- but because it is too specialized. Even a book on all Italian (or French or American or Australian) wine probably doesn't belong here. I also question some of the other entries in the bibliography. Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, and I don't think we should be including how-to guides on buying wine, or multiple introductions to wine appreciation. -- Macrakis ( talk) 01:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This is English-specific. I do not know how it should be done exactly, but "two 100 cl glasses" should be added next to the Imperial measure units. -- Pot ( talk) 15:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
There have been two deletions lately of the same content but for different reasons. Portions of the first paragraph and all of the second paragraph have been deleted because they either were "undue bits" or because of a "contradicted cited source." As there are four citations, it is unclear which is contradictory. Looking at the first page of Encyclopedia Britannica's Wine and its subsection Fruit wines, this source is not contradicted. Barley wine discusses barley wine, but it does not include information about ginger or rice wine. As such additional citations would be needed to cover the rest of the information. The Simon & Schuster Pocket Wine Label Decoder and Vintage: The Story of Wine. Simon & Schuster are inaccessible to me, thus I cannot confirm the veracity of the article's statements. Any insight on this? Cheers! Encycloshave ( talk) 15:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. I had a family member taken ill by a brown recluse spider bite and most of yesterday was spent at the hospital dealing with that nastiness. :( But I looked into the matter and the reference citation looked familiar and I realized it was because I added it back in 2007 for some information that was already present in the article. (My ref was for pages 11-16, somewhere along the way the 11-6 popped up) I looked further and found the source of the original line was from a 2006 edit from a user who is no longer around. Now looking at Vintage, I believe the reason why I used this reference was because of passages like this on pg 11 and the several other instances from there to pg 16 where Johnson talks about how wine can be made without virtually any interference from man--just crushed grapes in a seal jar is enough to ferment to wine, etc. Agne Cheese/ Wine 19:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
note 1 refers to article, first defining sentence of which is "wine, the fermented juice of the grape": so source was obviously contradicted by ignorant rewrite Wran ( talk) 14:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed this in the professions list. It sounds interesting and would probably make for a good article, but I haven't been able to find much on it. All I have dug up are two consultant wine makers who refer to themselves as terror specialists, but does that count as a "profession?" Even the description seems a bit off, as "academic" is a professor by profession. It was added in March 2010 by IP 41.241.161.7. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois/?ip=41.241.161.7 didn't provide any insight as to who this was. Encycloshave ( talk) 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Professions section, I see...
That doesn't sound like a profession to me - amateur winemaking is not a profession, and derogatory terms are not valid names for professions. The article Garagistes describes it...
Again, that's not a profession - it's a name for a specific group of winemakers. I'm going to remove it from the list, but if anyone believes it is a genuine profession, please shout. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Wine production and export business on a boom in India however no mention here.
Indian wine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.119.104.226 ( talk) 16:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
So apple wine redirects to apfelwein, which it says is a synonym for cider. apple wine is given as an example of a fruit wine. The fruit wine page says cider is excluded from the definition of a fruit wine. something's funky, guys, and i'm not a wine expert. romnempire ( talk) 04:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
What's funky is that grapes are the only fermentable in the first sentence. Fruit wines, meads, and cider ARE indeed wine and the misconception that grapes are the only show in town, perpetuated by multiple wikipedia articles needs to be addressed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151D:64E8:2843:6E7C:9CD:7202 ( talk) 01:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
The section on forgery and manipulation of wines contains incorrect information about the Czech Republic 2012 methanol crysis. Neither of the two references ( http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/presseschau/archiv/results/archiv_article/ARTICLE111201-The-fatal-greed-of-alcohol-adulterators and http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_17/20-dead-from-counterfeit-alcohol-in-Czech-Republic/) says anything about wine being the problematic beverage. The first link mentions wine a few times, but not once in connection with the 2012 crysis - "In Ancient Greece and Rome, wine was stretched with water", "But even in Austria there was a scandal a few years back involving wine that had been adulterated with anti-freeze substances." (Austria is not in the Czech Republic, and it isn't related to the 2012 crysis at all). The second article even explicitly states that the government has forbidden the sale of alcoholic beverages with more than 20% alcoholic content (which excludes pretty much all the wines on the market). The crysis was connected to hard liquor, not beer or wine. When I tried to point out this misinformation, my change has been reverted (based on the fact that the first link does say the crysis was about wine fraud, while it does not). I am confident the (incorrect) example should be removed altogether, unless backed with references that actually confirm it. Anyone?
"The term wine can also refer to the higher alcohol content of starch-fermented or fortified beverages such as barley wine or sake."
Surely 'wine' does not refer to the alcohol content but instead to the drink itself? Should it be something like:
"The term wine can also refer to starch-fermented or fortified beverages with a higher alcohol content, such as barley wine or sake."
('higher' seems vague, but I suspect that just reflects the imprecision of the definition of wine.) 173.172.95.186 ( talk) 15:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The first sentence is "Wine is an alcoholic beverage made from fermented grapes or other fruits.", but later examples talk about wines made from leaves, sap, flowers, herbs, spices, and so on. These other examples contradict the leading definition: either they are not wines, or the leading definition is too narrow. 173.172.95.186 ( talk) 15:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The leading sentence has since been edited to be even more narrow. Now it only says grapes. It is absolutely important that fruit wines and meads be included in the most basic definition of wine. Here is how the TTB defines wine and I believe tis article should follow this example:
″When used without qualification, the term includes every class and type of product, produced on a bonded wine premises, from grapes, other fruit (including berries), or other suitable agricultural products. See 27 CFR 24.10.″ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151D:64E8:2843:6E7C:9CD:7202 ( talk) 01:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
I have deleted an obscure (and broken) link, and reverted to the traditional, and widely cited view that the origin of is in the region of Iran. This is fairly well established through genetics and archaeology, so please include multiple sources to suggest any alternative *(and pet) theories. The inclusion of a single arcane source (via a bad link, at that), will only result in constant revisions. Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 ( talk)
I was able to trace the information from the corrupt link that has been included, and it actually provides very little to promote the Georgian hypothesis. In fact, that research, by Patrick Mcgovern and Jose Vouillamoz, suggests South Eastern Anatolia as the origin of wine making, although they make it very clear that they cannot rule out (due to lack of sampling) Iran and Trans-Caucasia, as the source of origin of wine-making. Furthermore, on his Penn Museum webpage, Mcgovern notes, "The earliest chemically attested grape wine in the world was discovered by my laboratory at Hajji Firuz in the northwestern Zagros Mountains of Iran, ca. 5400 B.C. (Early Neolithic Period)". However, he concludes with, "The upland areas of the Caucasus, Taurus, and Zagros Mountains are all possibilities for the earliest domestication and the beginning of winemaking. What especially makes me think that the origins of viniculture may be found here is that there is a great deal of archaeological and historical evidence for what can be called a “wine culture” gradually radiating out in time and space, from small beginnings in the northern mountains of the Near East in the Neolithic, to become a dominant economic, religious and social force throughout the region and later across Europe in the millennia to follow". - So basically, the editor for this page, is using a fake (intentionally broken) link, in order to support his Georgian hypothesis. — Preceding
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There is little to contemplate through discussions. The editor(s) here are using fake references and apparently, nobody at Wikipedia cares. For god sake, just click on the links that are provided and you will see for yourself that one of the links that are constantly being used to support a 'Georgian hypothesis' is broken, the other link is simply in contrast to the Georgian hypothesis (suggesting an iranian origin). The article that is being referred to via the broken link, draws the conclusion that winemaking may have originated in South Eastern Turkey (ref link 2) - although the authors did not rule out Georgia, Armenia , or NW Iran, because lack of sampling. This study provides little to nothing, which justifies the assertion that winemaking has a Georgian origin. The Georgian idea is completely untraceable, as it is a random figment of some editors imagination. Yes, there shouldn't be an 'edit war', because someone at Wiki should be responsible enough to put a stop to the countless , unjustified edits of the Wine page editors. And if you don't have the decency to respect my rational argument, then I am not open to your 'suggestion'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.88.228 ( talk) 13:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The link to the page that is currently being used, does not rely on a valid source that is supportive of it's assertions. You can trace the information from the corrupt link that has been repaired (relating to Patrick Mcgovern's research), and it actually provides almost nothing to promote the Georgian hypothesis. The research, conducted by Patrick Mcgovern and Jose Vouillamoz, clearly suggests South Eastern Anatolia as the origin of wine making, although they make the point that they cannot rule out (due to lack of sampling) Iran and Trans-Caucasia, as the source of origin of wine-making. On his Penn Museum webpage, Mcgovern notes, "The earliest chemically attested grape wine in the world was discovered by my laboratory at Hajji Firuz in the northwestern Zagros Mountains of Iran, ca. 5400 B.C. (Early Neolithic Period)". However, he concludes with, "The upland areas of the Caucasus, Taurus, and Zagros Mountains are all possibilities for the earliest domestication and the beginning of winemaking. So their is no Georgian hypothesis. McGovern never said Georgia was the origin of wine-making - The link, which has finally been repaired, relies on an obscure source that, in turn, provides an untraceable notion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 ( talk) 14:58, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
https://www.penn.museum/sites/wine/wineneolithic.html http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/world/africa/iran-finds-7000yearold-liquor-habit-is-tough-to-break.html http://archive.archaeology.org/9609/newsbriefs/wine.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C0C3:500:1573:3E2:BC95:9A9D ( talk) 19:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
At what temperature does wine freeze?: [11] Should it be frozen?: [12], etc etc. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
This phrase in the first sentence seems odd to me. Surely it's made from the fermented juice of grapes? The German article, for example, says "aus dem vergorenen Saft von Weintrauben" (from the fermented juice of grapes). Whole grapes are around at the outset, but are eliminated quickly: you don't expect bits of fermented grape in your wine. Andrew Dalby 17:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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In the begining of the history section following content is found: An extensive gene-mapping project in 2006 analyzed the heritage of more than 110 modern grape cultivars, narrowing their origin to a region of Georgia. It references to the following source: http://web.archive.org/web/20111005120059/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/now-thats-what-you-call-a-real-vintage-professor-unearths-8000yearold-wine-577863.html The source article solely mentions about an 8000 year old wine pottery found in Georgia. There is nothing about gene-mapping project to be found there nor the origin of modern grape cultivars. Hence, the content is clear misinterpretetion of the source and should be deleted.-- Hayordi ( talk) 09:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a lot fishy about the claim of an 8000 year wine-making history in Georgia. Not one of the plethora of articles that make the claim, reference any researchable study. It looks like a big hoax. The article needs to revert to a Persian or Armenian source for wine, both which are verifiably sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.154.56.136 ( talk • contribs)
what causes wine to go bad I think it has to do with the glass bottle kind of like plastic leaches into food. but is there a medical use for bad wine. I thing it can be used to treat radiation poisoning >>>>> what's the catch once you drink it you must add water back into the bottle and seal it up for 10,000 years and then the radio active water inside with be safe to drink//// symbolism^% urName ( talk) 18:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
"There is a large range of price and quality levels; the least expensive table wines cost US$3 for a bottle [1] and "fine wines" may cost US$30–50 for a bottle. [2] "
This was the final sentence in the first paragraph. I have removed it as it is entirely US-centric. A cheap bottle of wine may be purchased for that price in the US, but you can get it cheaper in most other countries. Also, in some countries the cheapest bottle is way above that limit. Thirdly, the sentence did not specify in which country those prices applied. Finally, as an opening paragraph, any sentences in that paragraph should be about describing the subject in question, i.e. what the subject is, a brief outline in how it's made, etc. A sentence on the pricing structure for wine in one or two countries (neither of which are even traditional growers of wine) combined with the links which, to me, seemed like blatant advertising, is not appropriate for an opening paragraph. Mac Tíre Cowag 13:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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In the health effects section I read: "Additionally, some studies have found a greater correlation of health benefits with red than white wine, though other studies have found no difference. Red wine contains more polyphenols than white wine, and these could be protective against cardiovascular disease.[106]".
Reference [106] points to this this paper, and the abstract concludes with "...it is not currently possible to define the role of wine in human health". I am not sure in this case that reference [106] supports the claim in the article, even that it "could". The abstract of the paper suggests that it is not yet known if wine is good for health or not, so we should not be using "could" here - that's just speculation. RevenDS ( talk) 11:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with revenDS there is no support to claim according to this article. Aarden1011 Aarden1011 ( talk) 23:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC) Aarden1011 ( talk) 23:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I checked the source for the claim, an article at about.com, and found that A) it wasn't written by an acknowledged expert in the field, and B) the sources given in that article say that the fermented beverage on the clay fragment was either made from "rice and millet" (one source), or made from "rice, honey and fruit" (the other sources), with none of the sources saying that the fermented beverage was made from grapes. So I have removed the claim in the article that "The earliest form of grape-based fermented drink was found in northern China, where archaeologists discovered 9000-year-old pottery jars,"
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Exactly. It's funny how the Wikipedia page for Tea makes clear that tea should be from tea leaves (ie genus Camellia..), and that a "tea" made with other leaves, fruit, flowers is just an "infusion" but somehow alcohol made from things other than grapes can be called wine. As stated above, this claim of "wine" in China is simply because some people would like an easy, direct, non-nuanced translation for the Chinese word "jiu" (酒). But this word certainly means alcoholic drink. Wine is putaojiu. So... why should there be mention of "a similar alcoholic drink" from China in the "History" section of this article? Spettro9 ( talk) 09:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
This article says little about the winemaking process and nothing about the differences between red, white and rose wines. Stub Mandrel ( talk) 19:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Recently, someone inserted a claim that the earliest-known wine was found in China. Unfortunately, the cited source refers only to "wine-like drinks from rice, honey and fruit". Although rice-derived "wine-like" drinks may be mentioned in the history section, I don't think it's accurate to describe them as the earliest known "wine" in the sense that this article describes it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.121.215 ( talk) 23:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
The first sentence of the lead says "made from grapes" without other options. The second paragraph says wine can be made from other matter. Should the first sentence have the word "generally"? Or should the second paragraph say "the word 'wine' is also used more generally for beverages made from other matter"? -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 15:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
there many confusion with the article on the lists of wine production and consumption, there any new source about this? , instead to add 100 listes , why dont add only two or one?. LuigiPortaro29 ( talk) 21:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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There remains an ongoing debate between some American Protestant denominations as to whether wine can and should be used for the Eucharist or allowed as an ordinary beverage, with Catholics and some mainline Protestants allowing wine drinking in moderation, and some conservative Protestant groups opposing consumption of alcohol altogether.
This is, of course, true as it stands. However, I have the impression that the average reader will get the impression "some say not at all, some say a tiny sip here and there" - which would not accurately describe at least the general Catholic stand. Of course, Catholics do say "in moderation". However, first, "moderation" is a virtue that everything must be subjected to in any case, not only alcohol consumption. Second, "moderation" issues practically always mean "difficult to give fix boundaries in concrete terms" (this is not the case with every virtue, but here). Third, a very rough explanation of what moderation does mean would be "first, totally avoiding utter drunkenness, defined as the point where free-will is no longer present", and then some other thoughts, most of which are as applicable to wine as they are to roast-beef (money, for instance). It is perfectly imaginable that a faithful Catholic regularly enters a state usually described as "tipsy" without breaking his moderation duties at all -
and I have some doubt whether that would come across the way it is formulated now. Any suggestions to do it in a better manner? I haven't, right now, or I'll edit myself.-- 2001:A61:20F5:2B01:20F5:4773:8583:21E6 ( talk) 22:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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The article contains assertions that moderate wine consumption conveys health benefits, citing primary sources. This assertion of health benefits contradicts high-quality secondary sources and large epidemiologic studies. I am removing the "J curve" paragraph. It contradicts other information in this article that is supported by high-quality secondary sources. Sbelknap ( talk) 20:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
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Alcohol and its role in the preservation of grape juice. Fermentation and its role in preservation with alchohol as a byproduct. - Inowen ( nlfte) 01:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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first wine was found in country Georgia (sakartvelo) 8000 BC 64.113.187.34 ( talk) 13:27, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
What the title says. Link to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.109.105.245 ( talk) 23:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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Nobody (<<5%) in Florina (northern Greece) says "vino". This information was just assumed because of the misleading and confusing map "Simplified Languages of Europe map.svg" which in its description says "In some cases, the area indicated for a language reflects where some of its speakers live but not necessarily where they form the majority of the population.". It is like marking whole Germany as using the word krasi just because there are some Greek speaking people living in Germany, or marking whole Greece as using Wine (???)... In any case, this information is wrong. If I'd know how, i'd correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A546:199:0:F4EF:E4AF:D5DC:4DF0 ( talk) 06:28, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
The recent additions to the lead section are very welcome, especially if they re accompanied by citations. But, as with most articles, the lead section is meant to summarize the entire article and should have nothing that is not present, with supporting sources, in the article main body. Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
"Хорошая картина" - как "хорошее вино". Может жизни не хватить .. Бывает.
В.В. однажды написал - "Хлебаю борщ. А душа - болит .. ?? ))) .. 176.59.208.219 ( talk) 13:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The text introduces several times the idea that the vikings made wine in the Americas, an idea which doesn't make any sense because they only arrived briefly into a very limited area very far in the North. On the article's beginning there is this sentence: "New World wine has some connection to alcoholic beverages made by the indigenous peoples of the Americas, but is mainly connected to later Viking area of Vinland and Spanish traditions in New Spain.[8][9]" which is only supported by a reference about "vinland" that does not contain any reference to winemaking, neither for Vikings nor American indigenous peoples. On "History" there is another link to "Vinland: The Mystical Legend of “The Land of Grapes”" that talks about legendary sagas and not about anything that has been archeologically or historically proved, as in the previous paragraphs. I would suggest that the first made up statement should be deleted and, for the second one its content should be corrected to what the referenced article actually says. -- Beengorge ( talk) 14:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Is there a type of wine known as 'Less Wine'. I thought I heard it being mentioned at a conference that I attended. The butler said something about wanting to try less wine. The person sitting beside me said that she has had it on holidays and that it was amazing. 2A00:23CC:4D88:2701:65CE:C2D6:4B85:52AB ( talk) 23:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The article says Georgian word "ghvino" is related to "vine":
But there is no such word in Georgian for the plant; it just describes the drink. Phonetically closest one is "ვენახი", "ven-a-khi", which means vineyard, but I'm not sure if there's a connection there. Vine (plant) itself doesn't have a single word in Georgian. — 185.70.53.122 ( talk) 17:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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{Wine is for weddings, so most people use Ubers to drive home}
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The country of origin of wine listed on this Wikipedia page is listed as Georgia, however the oldest winery ever discovered is in the neighboring country of Armenia (see the following National Geographic article: [1]). Please change the country of origin of wine from Georgia to Armenia. 47.232.166.242 ( talk) 09:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
The winery ... is believed to be at least a thousand years older than the winery unearthed in the West Bank in 1963, which is the second oldest currently known." So that might need to be corrected. But I also note that Armenian wine says: "
Armenia is one of the oldest wine producing regions of the world. In particular, the oldest known winery was found in Armenia's Areni region (see Areni-1 winery), which to this day is still known of its wine production and endemic grapes." So likewise, currently in contradiction. There seems to be a distinction between "oldest wine producing regions" and "oldest winery"? Just sayin'. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)