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Thank you, Alex, for creating this article. I suggest you add links to youtube videos of James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman and Danny Glover reading excerpts. Also, the full text should be linked to:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/What_to_the_Slave_is_the_Fourth_of_July?
Paulmlieberman (
talk) 14:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Paulmlieberman: Thanks for the great feedback! These are generally uncontroversal edits, and you could
be bold, and added them yourself. I did the Wikisource addition, and I will let you add the appropriate videos using
Template:YouTube as you find fit. Feel free to expand the article in other ways as well, I don't have access to a research library right now, so my use of academic articles is limited in this early part of the draft,
Sadads (
talk) 15:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
This site is a double of the existing site about the speech that was created sometimes in Jun 2013, under
/info/en/?search=The_Hypocrisy_of_American_Slavery
I'm not an expert in editing Wikipedia pages, but the two sites should be combined. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.220.96.160 (
talk) 02:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)reply
The two articles are about the same speech, but "What to a slave is the 4th of July?" is the name by which it is better known. —
Malik ShabazzTalk/Stalk 03:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Support. Both articles could be improved by this merger.
Leschnei (
talk) 13:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Support. Keep this title in particular, I'd say. --
Akhenaten0 (
talk) 16:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Agreed. The other title can remain in place as a redirect.
Innisfree987 (
talk) 20:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Let's hold off until we find out how it got this title (which, Google's Ngram tells us, didn't take off until the mid-1980s). Meanwhile, the two article should reference each other. (And why is there no link to the full text in either?!!)
Frappyjohn (
talk)
While the subject of how and why Douglass's Rochester speech came to be known as "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?" are interesting and should be added to the article, under Wikipedia guidelines, articles should generally be titled using the
most commonly recognizable names. According to the first source in the article, an article in The Wall Street Journal, "The speech, which is now widely titled 'What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?,' has become a staple of high-school and college education." Except for the 19th-century title, "Oration, delivered in Corinthian Hall, Rochester, July 5, 1852", have you seen any other titles used for the speech? Can you provide a single reason why an encyclopedia should have two articles on the same subject?
Finally, there is a link to the text of the speech. At the bottom right corner of the page, there's a box that links to the text at WikiSource. —
Malik ShabazzTalk/Stalk 20:06, 4 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Right: policy says that as a default a subject should only have one page until there's compelling evidence that suggests two parts of the topic have notability independent of one another, or, that the entry is so long that covering it adequately requires a content fork. Neither is the case here. The merge is overdue and no policy-based objections have been raised since it was proposed in January, so I think anyone willing to do the work of the merge should go ahead.
Innisfree987 (
talk) 20:19, 4 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Support. I merged yet another page on the same speech (
The Hypocrisy of American Slavery) to this one since this is the title given for the speech in the critical edition of the collected Frederick Douglass Papers, Series One Vol. 2. Meg Zulick 12:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Which president? Or was there one?
1852 would seem to then be Millard Fillmore? Oh dear, and who pushed
Compromise of 1850 which included the
Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Seems so.
[1] Should be mentioned specifically and in relation to those acts, I think.
Shenme (
talk) 04:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, Fillmore would have been President then, but I can't find any good source indicating that there was any President present at the event at all. Same goes for the "other important figures." I've inserted a "Citation Needed" tag.
Frappyjohn (
talk)
The "President" he mentions would have been the President of the Rochester Ladies Anti-Slavery Society. Meg Zulick 12:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Additional link to full text needed
Expecting to find the speech itself, the reader instead finds an article about the speech with only a few quotes from the original text. As noted in the discussion above, a link to the full text of the speech does exist. However, it is found only at the bottom of the article, after the footnotes, in the section Further reading. A user may have to search through the article a few times before finding a way to get to where they really want to go. Adding a link to the full text at the BEGINNING of the article (preferably in the first paragraph) should provide readers with a more convenient experience and ease of use.
MusicTree3 (
talk) 05:56, 6 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Good idea, but I instead used a template right below the photo.
Anythingyouwant (
talk) 16:33, 6 July 2019 (UTC)reply
That's good--much more visible. Thank you. I'll delete the one at the bottom.
MusicTree3 (
talk) 21:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)reply