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Epcot is just the word Epcot now, not "Epcot Center". "Disney MGM Studios" are proper nouns, so Studios needs to be capatalized. And the Magic Kingdom's real name is the "Magic Kingdom Park". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.66.44 ( talk • contribs)
Point of clarification: Phrases like "Magic Kingdom Park" and "Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park" are strictly Disney conventions for copyright and trademark reasons. Consider that the park guidemap given to millions of guests says only "Magic Kingdom" on the cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.66.45 ( talk • contribs)
"Disney's Animal Kingdom" is widely used; apparently, cast members (employees) are not supposed to use just "Animal Kingdom". -- Benjamin Geiger 20:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Look at their website and see what they say. I know that when I worked there, it was a big deal to include "Disney's" preceeding every resort name. Now then...everytime? I don't think that's necessary, but certainly page titles and first references should use the legal name. Tiktok4321 ( talk) 16:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Do we really want to name individual attractions (Soarin', Cinderellabration, Expedition Everest) opening in the timeline? Seems to me that it should be reserved for larger or WDW-wide events. Comments? -- Comthought 13:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
The timeline should be specific to the development and expansion of the resort itself, not of individual rides. The ride timelines can be added to each individual park (and/or land) article as appropriate. SpikeJones 15:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed a recent edit on one of the WDW pages to put the location of (whatever it was) at Bay Lake, Florida. So now we have at least three different locations for WDW: Orlando, Florida, Bay Lake, Florida, and Lake Buena Vista, Florida. We should be consistent and select one official city to be listed as WDW's home -- but do we go with the general touristy "Orlando" that everybody already knows and loves, or with LBV, which is WDW's official mailing address? I think Bay Lake is an interesting sidenote to its place in WDW's governance, but shouldn't be listed as an official WDW location. SpikeJones 15:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Most of the resort, including all four theme parks, is located within the City of Bay Lake. The Downtown Disney area of the resort is located in the City of Lake Buena Vista. The entire resort does use Lake Buena Vista as its mailing address, which may be the cause of some of the confusion. There is a map on the RCID site that shows the two cities and the unincorporated portions of the district (thank you Beland for the link). Apr1fool 01:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
(Relevant talk section moved from Talk:Epcot, formerly titled "Park Location"
As the article has now been locked, it's time to open the floor to the discussion ... what level of detail is necessary for the location of the park? The apparent consensus is that the park is located near Orlando, and that it is part of the attractions in and around the city. The parent Walt Disney World Resort article mentions the two administrative "cities" within the resort property, Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, which has never been disputed. -- McDoobAU93 ( talk) 00:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think mentioning that every single Disney theme park, hotel or smaller venue is in Lake Buena Vista, Florida or Bay Lake, Florida is unnecessary. Both aren't independent cities in the traditional sense. I think it's sufficient to note that Epcot is part of Walt Disney World Resort in Florida and let the resort article contain the minutiae about the two "cities" and the Reedy Creek Improvement District. And as I've noted elsewhere, the Walt Disney World Resort article is very clear that Disney's property is not within the city limits of Orlando. — Whoville ( talk) 00:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ditto what Whoville said. SpikeJones ( talk) 01:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think consensus has been reached here, but there's one detail it looks like (since the sock puppeteer is at it again) we overlooked ... the infoboxes. How should the four theme park infoboxes read? They aren't in Orlando, and Lake Buena Vista is more known, but officially they are in Bay Lake. Opinions? -- McDoobAU93 ( talk) 22:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- I believe that we've been using LBV in all the infoboxes, and since that is officially what Disney refers to their location as, then that's what we should do here. This article already deals with the BL vs LBV issue, so the point, overall, should be moot. SpikeJones ( talk) 23:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
(Relevant talk section moved from Talk:Disney's Hollywood Studios, formerly titled " Orlando attractions vs Florida attractions"
before things get crazy with the verting and reverting of the category, may I suggest that Malpass93 and Miamiboyzinhere take their disagreement here to work out why each feels the way they do? Thanks. SpikeJones ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to get into an edit war. IMO its close enough to be considered in the Orlando area. That's just my opinion though. Sorry if its winding people up! Malpass93 ( talk) 21:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's not winding people up; it's turning into a revert war. Discuss your philosophies here, or else the rest of us will make a decision for you two. SpikeJones ( talk) 03:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I'm concerned there's nothing to discuss. This is an encylopedia. How you people "feel" is irrelevant. Fact: Disneyworld is NOT in Orlando. You may want to create a category Greater Orlando attractions, as was done for Miami. As it is, Universal Studios parks are the only ones in the city limits of Orlando. None of the others are, and I will instantly revert any erroneous posts that suggest otherwise. Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 15:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a topic to discuss, as both of you are merely reverting each other's edits and including personal attacks in the edit notes. The question is whether "Orlando attractions" does, in fact, include "Orlando-area" attractions. Semantics aside, having a "Lake Buena Vista attractions" category is just silly. Making a new category just for greater Orlando when an Orlando category already exists is also probably overkill. I don't disagree that WDW is not in the physical Orlando boundary line, but the physical location of the parks is already mentioned in the article text itself; as categories are used to group similar articles together, how granular do we really need to be? Regardless of the final solution, it needs to be then handled globally for all similar situations: New York vs New York City vs Metro Area attractions, Miami, Orange County vs Los Angeles vs Anaheim, Dallas vs Dallas-Fort Worth, etc. If you're going to go granular in this instance, then you *must* begin the process of going granular everywhere. If you're not willing to take that challenge of all other WP articles too, then there's no need to argue over the WDW park articles categorizations. SpikeJones ( talk) 16:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- I *am* willing to take it everywhere. We need to follow this convention. PERIOD. -> Category:Visitor attractions in Greater Miami Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 16:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Guess what kids? It's not in Lake Buena Vista, either. Sounds like someone didn't do their homework. According to Orange County GIS, the bulk of the Disney resort is within what is called "Bay Lake." Only a section northeast of Epcot Drive, including Downtown Disney and the Hotel Plaza, is in Lake Buena Vista. I'm still trying to figure out what's wrong with indicating that the parks are "near Orlando," especially when the category specifically states "around Orlando" and when Disney itself promotes its complex as being "near Orlando." -- McDoobAU93 ( talk) 16:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Guess what? "Near" is not "in". Look it up. I have already solved the problem by creating the category Visitor attractions in Greater Orlando, following Miami's convention, so your point is moot anyway. Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 16:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- to McDoob - you passed my location test. To MiamiBoy - is there a WP category convention that was established for areas that weren't Miami? I would prefer to see one that you didn't have a hand in already. Creating a new category was not necessarily the best option per my earlier point, nor was doing it without talking about it first since there is already a discussion going on to determine what to do. I agree with McDoob if the Orlando category was created with the purpose of representing the Orlando area as opposed to Orlando city limits that the original category would suffice. SpikeJones ( talk) 17:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Then it needs to say 'Orlando area', not just 'Orlando'. This is an encyclopedia, not grandma's table talk. Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 18:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- So you have decided arbitrarily that the Orlando category represents the Orlando area and not the Orlando city limits? A few here probably would have prefered to agree that was the case before you made that sweeping change. Yes, this is an encyclopedia, but your changes warranted gathering around Grandma's table to discuss them as you are not the only person with an agenda. I am still waiting for you to provide a WP category convention for area attractions that you did not participate in making. SpikeJones ( talk) 18:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- I haven't decided anything. It says what it says. Orlando is a city. It has city limits. Most of the Orlando AREA parks are not *in* Orlando. You cannot dump every park in the area into a category that is named 'Orlando'. The category must be named Greater Orlando or Orlando area. Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 18:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Nobody is questioning the location of the parks. The questions that were originally asked that you have yet to answer are: (a) please show us the WP category convention that you cited earlier, specifically one that you have not had a hand in; (b) did the Orlando category encompass the Orlando area (as McDoob suggested), or was the Orlando category specifically for items within the city limits? If you could answer at least one of these two questions, that would be most helpful. If you can't answer these questions, then there is a possibility that your edits may be reverted due to lack of reasoning support. SpikeJones ( talk) 19:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- This is the Miami category [1]. I did not have a "hand" in it. I am simply using it as a guide to correct the blatant ignorant errors that seem to cluster in this place. Miamiboyzinhere ( talk) 19:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would prefer to see a category other than Miami, as you are "Miamiboyzinhere" and therefore perhaps biased as to the Miami category's usage. So if you could provide one that supports your previous statement of We need to follow this convention, PERIOD that shows that there is, in fact, a convention beyond the Miami one that you have already worked with, that would be swell. As for your other response of immediately reverting edits just because you don't care for them, well, that's why we're discussing these things first. These articles aren't solely yours or anyone else's. SpikeJones ( talk) 19:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I like the greater Orlando idea, but don't appreciate this as an edit summary Miamiboy "THIS PARK IS NOT IN THE CITY OF ORLANDO YOU IDIOT". Cheers from Malpass93 ( talk) 21:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Alright -- research has been done for us already, and it ends up that MiamiBoy made an error in renaming the category on his own per previously-discussed and debated Wikipedia conversations on this very topic held back in April 2007. (Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_28#Category:Orlando_area_attractions for details on the change from "Orlando area" to the previous "Orlando") My proposal, as I don't think reverting things back to the way they were before is the best use of our time right now (and will only cause a cascade of additional reverts, etc) is to re-submit the category name change back to the CAT FOR DISCUSSION area to see if others hold the same opinion as they did before. SpikeJones ( talk) 05:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Apparently this was done without discussion and totally out of process. The discussion does not belong here, it is at Deletion Review. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Looks like he's back. It's now become Bay Lake. Your thoughts. (PS I won't revert or edit that until I hear from someone what I should do) Malpass93 ( talk) 11:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- the Bay Lake category has been submitted for CFD already. If you have an opinion, post it there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpikeJones ( talk • contribs) 12:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Wow, after this past week's entertainment, it looks like we've discussed this topic back in 2006. Let's take the time this week while the pages are in lockdown to fix everything up. The standard that I suggest is that ALL WDW-related articles... except for the Reedy Creek-related ones and Walt Disney World Resort that actually do need to have the info, should not refer to their specific city location, but rather should say something along the lines of "at the Walt Disney World Resort". Anyone who wants location info would then click on the resort link to see where that is. In part, this simplifies all articles and makes them consistent so we don't have 2 hotel articles saying one thing, 5 ride articles saying something else, etc. That said, there are still times (like in infoboxes) where we need to place a location. In those cases, I lean towards "Lake Buena Vista" vs "Bay Lake". Then, once we've cleaned all this up, then we can look at cleaning up the orlando-region category Category:Visitor attractions in Orlando, Florida and related similar categories that were also affected by this week's events. Some cats were CFD'd, while others were either stripped, duplicated, or mangled. And do we need List of roller coasters in Orlando, Florida (or whatever that page is that I can't find right now) as well if it can be handled via category? Thoughts? SpikeJones ( talk) 14:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Note: for those of you who are merely following along, some recent history on the topic can be found here as well - Talk:Disney's_Hollywood_Studios#Orlando_attractions_vs_Florida_attractions, which also explains the historical use of the "Orlando, Florida" category decision. SpikeJones ( talk) 14:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What if the opening paragragh simply stated that WDW is located in Central Florida approximately x miles west of Orlando? As it stands now, the opening paragraph is not correct because not all of the resort is located in the two cities. The exact location could still be discussed in the other paragraphs as it is now. Apr1fool ( talk) 00:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
WOW. So much specious, illogical, and just plain incorrect reasoning with regard to determining a location. The gist of most of the incorrect defenses here seem to involve the USPS, Disney Marketing, empirical reads of return addresses and postmarks from mailing going into and out of WDW, and worst of all, consensus. (Consensus - hah, the biggest joke of all. Consensus will tell you the Statue of Liberty is in New York, when it's really in New Jersey.) None of these has much to do with the reality of where a place is actually located.
Let me give a parallel example: the famous Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories of New York. Their name says Cold Spring Harbor. The USPS will tell you it's in Cold Spring Harbor. All the lab's correspondence displays a Cold Spring Harbor street address. Most of the people employed there think they work in Cold Spring Harbor. But the simple fact is that the labs are located in the neighboring village of Laurel Hollow, which isn't even in the same county as Cold Spring Harbor. How can I be so sure? Two reasons: 1) The best maps of the area (government census and navigational maps and ultra-local, up-to-date commercial maps -- Hagstrom in this case) show it squarely in Laurel Hollow, and 2) I followed the municipal paper trail. The labs pay taxes and file permits to the township of Oyster Bay, in which Laurel Hollow is located, and Cold Spring Harbor is not.
I've noticed in particular that things have gotten hot and heavy with regard to Epcot's location, with people ganging up on anyone who says it's located in Bay Lake, apparently to the extent that sock puppets and now lockdowns on editing the Epcot piece itself have been in play. Odd, since Epcot is plainly within the bounds of Bay Lake on the 2000 U.S. Census Map. Better yet, at least some of those in charge of Epcot, including the Director of Procurement for the Epcot division of Disney Imagineering, think Epcot is in Bay Lake. Go here to see a permit filed 1/28/2008, apparently for the demolition of some part of the Imagination Pavilion:
The STREET ADDRESS of the Imagination Pavilion is given as 1991 Avenue of the Stars, BAY LAKE, Florida 32830. (BTW, If you input that address to, say, maps.live.com, it'll point you to the service driveway of the Imagination Pavilion.)
The bottom line, folks, is that if by asking "Where is Epcot located?" you mean to ask "Where are the molecules that make up Epcot physically located?", and not "How do I address mail to Epcot" nor "Where does Disney say Epcot is?" nor "Where do most people think Epcot is?", then the answer is Bay Lake. Not Lake Buena Vista, not Orlando, not the Greater Orlando vicinity, but Bay Lake.
p.s. If anybody still believes that Epcot's location is Lake Buena Vista as the Wiki article states, then why haven't you done the rest of your homework and percolated that "correction" into the myriad other Wiki articles touching on this such as "Bay Lake"? - Sailorlula ( talk) 09:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it has been done. After the recent Wide World of Sports war started, I decided it was high time to be bold and make the change. The Disney Park infobox has been modified to remove the "Location" field and put the "Resort" field in its place. I've checked many of the park articles and they look to have handled the change well. I really hope this solves the problem. -- McDoobAU93 ( talk) 03:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking for some help on the Wide World of Sports talk page regarding its location. User Simon Bar Sinister feels that his opinion is the correct opinion dispite all of the previous discussion that has taken place on this topic. Any help would be appreciated. (It's not that big of a deal, but I get bored at work and need something to occupy my time.) Apr1fool ( talk) 02:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
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This isn't a particularly bad article, such as the Disney's California Adventure one for example, but it isn't exactly a Featured Article candidate either.
Refering to one of Whoville's last edits today, I'm concerned about properly mentioning history of the park in combination with current news. Whoville's comment on the edit was unnecessary to note park's name change on every reference. While I agree with the sentiment, the edit that was reverted was about the resort's expansion and the opening of the Studios park in 1989. Is it incorrect to refer to the Studios as "Disney-MGM" in this specific dated context? Discussion on the name change itself is handled on the Studios page. For example, all references to the Datsun 280ZX have not been changed to Nissan 280ZX when Datsun changed names to Nissan, as the Datsun name did properly exist during those specific discussion times. SpikeJones ( talk) 18:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Can we reach consensus on whether it's necessary to note theme park name changes on virtually every reference? I don't think it's necessary to describe the four theme parks like this in the article's very first reference to them:
In the "big picture" of the resort's development over the past four decades, the fact that EPCOT Center became Epcot and Disney-MGM Studios became Disney's Hollywood Studios is minor and, arguably, trivial. Changing the names of those theme parks didn't significantly alter their identity or what they represent. A more significant change is something like the Disney Institute property becoming the Saratoga Springs timeshare resort, or the evolution of Pleasure Island. I don't think edits like this are necessary and I'm hoping this talk page can contain the input of multiple editors so that new editors have additional viewpoints to consider before the same changes are re-inserted again and again. Plus, I think the name changes are better referenced on the theme park articles themselves, where they can be explained in more depth and context. — Whoville ( talk) 13:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Since Disney's Hollywood Studios name is still relatively new, I think when references are made to the park, it would be best to put formerly Disney-MGM Studios in parentheses so people know that Disney's Hollywood Studios was Disney-MGM Studios. 68DANNY2 ( talk) 15:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Recently I went to Disney World, and I have a huge photo album of the photos. Can I post it here as an external link, or is there some other place I should post it (like Commons). Is there a way I should go about posting it. I am relatively new to this. Thanks :) ADZ, CEO of ADZ's Mind ( talk) 23:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to propose that the bus topic be broken out into a separate transportation chapter on this page. It can be included with the monorail and boat taxis with specific (or not so specific) route information. Trying not to create a guide book here, but the modes of transit are about as interesting as the parks themselves. Tiktok4321 ( talk) 18:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
moving this section to Walt_Disney_World_Swan
The ones on the strip all correctly state that they are in Paradise, Nevada, not Las Vegas. If that is the guideline then why don't the Orlando resorts say the specific city they are in? 74.163.224.123 ( talk) 18:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
A recent edit started talking about a premium attraction being considered for the Resort. Several of the blogs have dubbed this "Disney's Night Kingdom," but since Disney itself has made no announcement regarding this, we should leave it for the bloggers to handle until Disney does feel it's ready to announce it, if there truly is something to announce. -- McDoobAU93 ( talk) 23:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe instead of having a full section for it, we should just state somewhere in the article that there are rumors it exists. Something like, "Recently there have been rumors of a fifth theme park to be called Disney's Night Kingdom, but Disney has made no official announcement about any new parks." --
User:Soulja Pigeon —Preceding
undated comment added 01:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC).
Quite frankly, I don't think it needs a mention at all. Rumors start up every day about this place and nine times out of ten they are just made up so the person who started it seemed to be "in the know". This Night Kingdom crap has been going on for years now and still no official mention? Rumors. That's all it is. Don't feed the rumor mill.
Signal70 (
talk) 02:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Since the Legendary Years of Pop Century will be finished and opened as part of Pop Century, would it be a Future Disney Resort and worth putting under the category of the WDW article? Post your comments here. 24.151.137.221 ( talk) 22:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry to inform the editors of this article that I am failing this article's WP:GAN for multiple reasons.
Please make sure to resolve any and all issues before renominating the article. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thank you. Diverse Mentality 01:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone eve noticed that the entrance to Magic Kingdom is pointing north, and the entrance to Epcot if facing south? Coincidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.129.197 ( talk) 20:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a concerted effort being undertaken at OpenStreetMap to map out WDW, The Magic Kingdom is 90% complete. The maps may be of some use to the articles here at Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevedorries ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Sure about that? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#Maps_in_Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.82.95 ( talk) 15:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Did you actually look at the maps? The parks are fully mapped for pedestrian usage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.102.103 ( talk) 14:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
"Walt Disney also looked to the North of Florida. He approached the city of Brunswick, GA as a location with the new I-95 interstate system. Walt Disney Production was also turned down for this location."
This is an unverifiable claim, and as such, I removed it from the article. I find it quite interesting that this was first posted today at 8:16 a.m. ET, yet I clearly remember someone calling in to a local talk radio station in Brunswick this morning not long after that time, saying that Disney did indeed consider building the park in Brunswick. This gentleman cited Wikipedia. That was mere minutes after this was posted. Unfortunately, I suspect wrongdoing here. Frenchman ( talk) 13:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Changed 32 to 33 since there are actually 33 hotels listed on this page. Vpw ( talk) 17:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I heard there is a fuel leak into the aquifer under the tunnels at Walt Disney World and that Disney is paying money to not do Remediation. I'd like to see this researched and added to the article under controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.3.71 ( talk) 07:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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