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Questions: At vine I read: "Certain plants always grow as vines, while a few grow as vines only part of the time. For instance, poison ivy and bittersweet can grow as low shrubs when support is not available, but will become vines when support is available." In case a vine is (part-time) a shrub and planted on a bigger scale, is it an orchard? ("an intentional planting of trees or shrubs maintained for food production") Can a vineyard contain other vines than grape-bearing vines? -- Brz7 ( talk) 01:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Are vineyards not a form of agriculture? There is no mention of vineyards in the agriculture article this article makes few references to agriculture. I note that orchards are referenced from agriculture. Should the lead not say 'vineyards are a type of agriculture for the production of grapes'... or similar PeterEastern ( talk) 11:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC) reply

Maybe this definition would be better place in plantation. -- Traveler100 ( talk) 11:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC) reply

Winemaking and suchlike husbandry happens even above 'Sub-Loirean France' - so why is there an agenda to make out that wineberry-growing only happens in southern France? Also, why not likewise byword that Baden is southern Germany? - therein lies truly the only winebearing abodes of Germany. Bytheway, the insecure French are still non-northern European - it doesn't matter that the following picture caption underneath the French one is of Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.66.44 ( talk) 18:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC) reply

...indeedly so, in that the herein Vinyard article seems to have an agenda to push the word: terroir. Byspell: "Terroir refers to the combination of natural factors associated with any particular vineyard" therefore, why no mention of past and presnet pests, blights and suchlike to effect vineyards. Haps an conspiracy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.66.44 ( talk) 18:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC) reply

Page gives average acreage of vinyards for EU and Australia without any citation. Surely this number came from somewhere. The following sentence is cited, but it's unclear what in the citation is backing up the claim of the sentence. This whole article probably needs a review of citations - both the existing ones, and facts claimed without them. -- 2600:1702:1CA0:9680:A1DC:58EC:2DD:8D40 ( talk) 21:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC) reply