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Austro-Bavarian

Is the Austro-Bavarian Wean really needed. Noone here would ever refer to the city as that. It´s just pointless information that clutters up the start. Surely it would be better placed somewhere else in the article? EulersNumberIsGreat ( talk) 18:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Weatherboxes

@ Moxy @ PAper GOL The article has 3 weatherboxes; which I assume Moxy finds excessive. PAper GOL has brought back one of the boxes, but not both of them. I certainly get why 3 boxes seem like too much, however there is a detail that makes Vienna special here; it borders 3 different climate zones. These zone calculations are based on WP:CALC from the weatherboxes themselves and therefore need the weather boxes to be there. This could be circumvented by having a Climate of Vienna page, and changing the climate section here to WP:SUMMARY (essentially the Istanbul/ Climate of Istanbul treatment). Another solution is to let the urban station remain, while we change the climate type to simply humid subtropical (or humid temperate climate if the RfC on Talk:Köppen climate classification is successful). Uness232 ( talk) 16:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply

You're right. We can go in details in a separate article and leave this article in a summary, the sources for these tables can provide even more information about the weather(e.g. stormy days, snow cover)
For classification, though, it would be Cfa only in the urban area. PAper GOL ( talk) 16:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes need an article to dump this raw data into. As prose text is preferred overly detailed statistical charts and diagrams such as economic trends, weather boxes, historical population charts, and past elections results, etc, should be reserved for main sub articles on the topic as per WP:DETAIL as outlined at WP:NOTSTATS. Moxy- 16:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
I see. So we can move on with a chart or two(the older one I added can be removed) in this article and go in full details in its sub-article (As it is the case for Budapest or major spanish cities), or turn the box into plain text, with no need to create any sub-articles. PAper GOL ( talk) 17:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes sub articles is best...that said only country articles do this well because they have well developed sub articles. That said many FA city articles use Template:Climate chart with the mass charts on sub pages. Moxy- 17:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Well, I'm gonna create a draft for it. It will take a while to make it ready for submission PAper GOL ( talk) 17:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree with most of the points being made, but I do want to clarify my positions on a few things.
@ Moxy I think Template:Climate chart is not all that useful and obscures important detail; I prefer simplified weatherboxes with links to more detail on the subpage (see Istanbul).
As for classification @ PAper GOL, it's pretty standard practice to prioritize urban stations, especially when they better represent the city climate. This is not an article on the region of Austria that Vienna is a part of, but Vienna itself. If there needs to be one weatherbox of station data remaining on the main article, that should be the Innere Stadt one, not Hohe Warte. This only affects what we can say about climate classes if we do not create a subpage however, and I assume we are; so disregard what I said about the classification. Uness232 ( talk) 18:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply
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