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User:Stemonitis claims that the comma method is the dominant one, yet almost every article I see is using the parenthesis method. If I disagree with the decision, can I do another requested move. Chris! my talk 01:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Please review List of districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles or Neighborhoods in San Francisco, California or Community areas of Chicago. The same pattern is true for articles on neighborhoods in most U.S. cities. -- Coolcaesar 06:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright. Chris! my talk 18:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems unlikely that this would ever warrant inclusion in the article, but if it prompts someone's curiosity regarding the area, then it'll be worth the note.
Back in the late 60s, when my family moved to the area and started skiing in the Sierras, there was an annual fall ski swap in the Union Square garage. Or at least I'm pretty sure -- I would have been 10 in 1969, so my recall of the big city might be confused, but I'm pretty certain. For all I know, it was sponsored by some merchant in the area, or it might simply have been normal practice to use underground garages for such purposes back then. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. MrRedwood 22:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Vertigo is listed here, but I'm pretty sure Union square also appears in the opening scene of The Birds. The pet store in the movie is located across from Union Square. I have no source to site, but if you watch the movie and you know the area, it should be pretty obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.175.240 ( talk) 00:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I was doing research for a paper on Victorian architecture in SF when I came across this image at the SF library photo archive of Union Square in 1934 with a Gothic Revival tower. Clearly it's not there today, and I can't seem to find any info about it online. Does anybody know anything about it, and do you think something about it should be included in the article? -- Jml4000 ( talk) 20:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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This article is in need of cleanup to conform with MOS:LAYIM, so I have added a cleanup tag to the article. North America 1000 01:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
"So your claim is that reverting edits is a sign of ownership? Where, precisely, is that codified in WP:OWN? No need to look, it isn't, because it's an absolutely absurd claim."), see excerpts from WP:OWN below (bold emphasis mine). It's right there. I would really rather move on, but since you characterized my concerns as "absurd" regarding what's stated on the page, you can see the proof in the pudding. Perhaps you read a different page? Also, when people's changes are removed without actually reverting using the article's Revision history, it's still a reversion. So, there's what's stated at WP:OWN about reverting others edits. I didn't make it up, it's right there. Don't take it personally, but I do disagree with some of your work on the article. And sorry, but your notion that no content is present on the WP:OWN page regarding reversion is absolute hogwash; the actual absurd notion here. Seriously, is that how you read the WP:OWN page? Regarding the actual article, hopefully we can all compromise and it will become better. Feel free to respond, perhaps even with the last word, as I don't foresee this discussion leading to any improvements to the article at this point. It's about the article, right, or is it about what is stated at the WP:OWN page? I prefer to focus on the former. North America 1000 09:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
( WP:OWN excerpts, with comments in parentheses)
- An editor disputes minor edits concerning layout, image use, and wording in a particular article daily. (The "daily" part does not apply, because the article is not edited daily. Constant reversions of any layout changes to the article can certainly be interpreted as disputing those changes.)
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- An editor reverts a good-faith change without providing an edit summary that refers to relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, previous reviews and discussions, reliable sources, or specific grammar or prose problems introduced by the edit. Repeating such no-reason reversions after being asked for a rationale is a strong indicator of ownership behavior.
@ Beyond My Ken: Why do you insist on forced image widths? You've reverted me several times without explanation. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
An image is captioned as being from 1905, but the Dewey Monument in the center of the square (ground broken May 1901, completed 1903) is missing. The image can't be newer than May 1901, even if published in 1905. 2600:1700:A0E0:18E0:B84A:E921:32AE:2E40 ( talk) 16:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Coolcaesar: I have removed the content suggesting that "Union Square has been replaced in its traditional role as the leading retail hub for the larger San Francisco Bay Area by West San Jose." This claim is WP:OR, unsupported by the cited source. The SF Chronicle piece (accurately) contrasts Union Square's dismal performance with the boom at Valley Fair, but nowhere does it state that West San Jose has supplanted San Francisco for Bay Area retail overall. One could make the same contrast within SF between Union Square and Stonestown Galleria—and indeed, local media has done so ( [1], [2]).
Additionally, I have some concerns about the portion of the "History" section that is focused on Union Square's post-2020 struggles. The history of the square stretches back to 1850, so we need to be careful to avoid a WP:RECENTISM bias. You suggested in your edit summary that my changes "appeared calculated to remove all negative information". This is obviously untrue; I maintained the final paragraph in the lede and details around the effect of the Macy's closure. My issue is that quoting John King verbatim four different times and including vacancy rates that are both (1) speculative and (2) changing rapidly, as the current version does, is not an encyclopedic approach. I'd be happy to collaborate on a version that addresses these deficiencies. Best, Conifer ( talk) 18:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)