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Section sizes Section size for Ulysses S. Grant (57 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 10,942 10,942 Early life and education 3,418 3,418 Early military career and personal life 45 15,302 West Point and first assignment 4,194 4,194 Marriage and family 1,640 1,640 Mexican–American War 4,810 4,810 Post-war assignments and resignation 4,613 4,613 Civilian struggles, slavery, and politics 4,745 4,745 Civil War 1,103 37,557 Early commands 2,815 2,815 Belmont (1861), Forts Henry and Donelson (1862) 4,805 4,805 Shiloh (1862) and aftermath 5,371 5,371 Vicksburg campaign (1862–1863) 6,694 6,694 Chattanooga (1863) and promotion 4,621 4,621 Overland Campaign (1864) 1,607 4,208 Cold Harbor 2,601 2,601 Siege of Petersburg (1864–1865) 4,174 4,174 Surrender of Lee and Union victory (1865) 2,401 2,401 Lincoln's assassination 1,365 1,365 Commanding generalship (1865–1869) 1,213 9,559 Tour of the South 1,716 1,716 Break from Johnson 3,480 3,480 Election of 1868 3,150 3,150 Presidency (1869–1877) 5,653 60,133 Reconstruction 7,611 7,611 Financial affairs 1,112 3,872 Gold corner conspiracy 2,760 2,760 Foreign affairs 1,794 14,823 Treaty of Washington (1871) 2,899 2,899 Korean expedition (1871) 2,265 2,265 Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic) 4,422 4,422 Cuba and Virginius Affair 1,460 1,460 Free trade with Hawaii 1,983 1,983 Federal Indian policy 7,525 7,525 Election of 1872 and second term 5,344 5,344 Panic of 1873 and loss of House 3,400 3,400 Reforms and scandals 10,185 10,185 Election of 1876 1,720 1,720 Post-presidency (1877–1885) 479 14,777 World tour and diplomacy 2,237 2,237 Third term attempt 2,428 2,428 Business failures 4,188 4,188 Memoirs, military pension, illness and death 5,445 5,445 Historical reputation 5,121 5,121 Memorials and presidential library 4,911 4,911 Dates of rank 2,532 2,532 See also 105 105 Notes 24 24 References 2,949 2,949 Bibliography 60 24,428 Biographical 11,729 11,729 Military and politics 8,118 8,118 Historiography 4,521 4,521 Further reading 20 5,597 Articles 3,144 3,144 Books 2,433 2,433 External links 4,818 4,818 Total 206,918 206,918

This article is interesting giving better input on Lincoln, Grant, and the cotton trade.

"In an ironic twist, General Grant saw and condemned the corruption inherent in the trade, but later he became renown for an administration characterized by his associates' corruption. Lincoln oversaw a system whereby his associates gained even at the possible cost of prolonging the war, but we revere him as "Honest" Abe. Lincoln was at least sensitive to the potential scandal from the cotton trade. On some instances he refused to issue permits because of the impropriety involved. Still, the cotton trade, with its attendant profitability, probably posed too great a temptation for any set of men to avoid some sinful behavior; Lincoln was not surrounded by saints."

Source: Traders or Traitors: Northern Cotton Trading During the Civil War David G. Surdam (1999) Department of Economics Loyola University of Chicago

What areas of the article are too long? There was a tag added to the article saying the article was too long. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply

The editor that placed that tag has placed them on several articles. It's frustrating when someone places such a "drive-by" tag without doing enough analysis even to suggest ways of shortening the article. I say this while acknowledging that the article ought to be shorter. But someone has to sit down with it and figure out how that's going to happen. Bruce leverett ( talk) 04:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply

The Civil War and presidency sections are the areas that would benefit most significantly, although the rest should not be neglected. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC) reply

The Shiloh and Vicksburg sections possibly could be reduced or resummarized. Maybe that would be enough to get the tag removed. I would keep all the sources and references. Just a narration trim. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC) reply

The introduction section looks a lot better in the recent editing. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC) reply

This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably.

Please consider splitting content into sub-articles, condensing it, or adding subheadings. 152.166.156.103 ( talk) 15:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

To be totally clear, this is currently the longest featured article on the site by a wide margin. 18k words is well past the point where one should really be miffed about drive-by tagging, imo. Remsense 诉 15:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Correction: it's #2, behind Douglas MacArthur (19.2k) and ahead of History of Poland (1945–1989) (17.2k). Remsense 诉 15:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I am sincerely thankful for, as well as amused by, this bit of trivia. But again, we are in drive-by mode.

This article became FA in March of 2015 (long before I was involved). I don't know what the word count was back then, but the source size was about 134K bytes, whereas now, 9 years and more than 8K edits later, it is closer to 228K bytes, and the word count is 19K. How much better is the article for all that labor and additional text? Well, in Wikipedia, you can't officially get any better than FA.

Bloat doesn't happen by itself. Every superfluous sentence was added by an editor who thought it was necessary, and in most cases, these were experienced editors, and some of them are still around, still keeping an eye on the article. Everything that is removed to get down to "reasonable" size is going to be fought for. Bruce leverett ( talk) 23:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I've added something which should honestly be on every substantial article's talk page, which just shows the byte count per section, it's a good grounding mechanism. Remsense 诉 02:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks Remsense. The Shiloh and Vicksburg campaign sections are good places to start to reduce. Your addition of the byte per section counter is good. That way progress can be evaluated on the article reduction. Cmguy777 ( talk) 05:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

No, thank you! I am intimidated by this article, frankly, so I'm glad the little technicality I could contribute is helping others, even if I don't have anything more insightful to suggest. Remsense 诉 05:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• As an older editor on this article, I think it's great, some editors are pairing it down. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 18:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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In the "Surrender of Lee and Union victory (1865)" subsection of the Civil War section, there is a photo with a caption, the caption should be changed from "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at the Appomattox Court House." to "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at Appomattox Court House." or "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at the McLean house at Appomattox Court House."

Appomattox Court House is the name of the town where the surrender took place, not the name of the building where the surrender took place, so saying "the Appomattox Court House" is incorrect here.

Thanks!

Dylan Dglenn26 ( talk) 22:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done Egsan Bacon ( talk) 22:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply