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This should be moved to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscarora_tribe.
Trbie is a typo.-- Elizabeth of North Carolina 03:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
There were 2 expeditions against the Tuscarora during the war. The Moore expedition and the Barnwell expedition. In the status quo article only Barnwell is mentioned. The history provided is blending information from both expeditions and attributing them only to Barnwell. Bobby Hurt ( talk) 03:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Also.....more clarification is needed on the rolls that Blount and Hancock respectively played before the war. Both had a lot of influence before the war among different towns but in truth they were merely village chiefs who did not lead anyone other than their own respective towns. They were merely influential among other villages. Bobby Hurt ( talk) 03:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Officially the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, as a political entity, has never went on record claiming any significant descent from the Tuscarora. Unless it can be "verifiably" cited where the "Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina" has made such a claim; any statements of this nature should be removed from the article. The Indians in Robeson County who do claim direct descent from the Tuscarora are not enrolled with the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina and are officially on Tuscarora enrollments. They are seperate entities, with seperate rolls and enrollment criterion.
Allthough some overlap may exist biologically between the two; there is a clear political/structural/idealogical/cultural difference between them. And it is most definately innappropriate to bind one to the official position of the other werease they operate completely independant from one another in the stance's that they each take. Bobby Hurt ( talk) 16:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
It is true that the Tuscarora in New York have taken the position that those who remained in NC no longer have tribal status. I will not remove this part (although I may clarify it more); but if there are no reasonable objections (I will wait a day or so) I will proceed to remove the part addressing the "recent Lumbee claims to Tuscarora" from the article.
Bobby Hurt (
talk) 17:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
The article is very short,and needs alot of additions about the Tuscarora in the north, and the south, but I am going to talk about the latter.
First of all, the 1803 treaty was never ratified by Jefferson, so the treaty is null and void. Here is evidence of this first statement: http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/1803affirmancefromUS.html
Next, contrary to popular belief, there are still many Tuscarora living within North Carolina today. The U.S. government does not recognize a "tribe" still within N.C. yet, but they have acknowledged individual Tuscaroras within the last 100 years. http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/ottletter.html In the mid to late 19th century, there were several books, published articles, and personal writings pertaining to the Tuscarora blood of the people centered around Robeson County, which can be found at these links: http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/1872harpersweekly.html, http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/1885observer.html, http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/lowriehistory.html, http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/gormanwritings.html
In 1992, Dr. Peter Wood, professor of History at Duke, wrote a report to supplement the Hatteras Tuscarora Tribe's BIA petition, which was filed in 1980. In Dr. Wood's closing, he says;
For more on this issue, take a look at this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lumbee -- Roskerah 14:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Roskerah, I believe that much of your information here should be included in the main article. Lizmichael ( talk) 04:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello Til Eulenspiegel, before we attempt to make a firm determination regarding what the "uncomfortable facts" actually are in this instance; I propose we leave it to other editors to make a final determination on the relative early 21st century historiographical niceties of whether not descriptors like "drunk, bloodlusting allies" are actually the 'way forward' in terms of selecting interpretatively neutral phrases in this context. At the moment; my chief concern is locating a reliable reference which substantiates what's being contended here, regardless of whether or not I personally consider the words being chosen in the present version of the article as being rather "ham-handed" in approach. As an experienced editor; you are no doubt aware that by re-adding this particular material, according to our existing policies, the onus is currently on you to substantiate its precence through the provision of a reliable reference. So far, I have not been able to do so; in fact, there appears to be at least one mainstream fairly widely cited [1] reliable source that appears to decidedly take issue with what's being claimed. My source is "The Iroquois in the War of 1812" by Carl Benn (University of Toronto Press; 1998, pgs. 148-150 ISBN:0802081452); available on Google Books [2]. As a side point, it's interesting to take note that Benn identifies December 20, 1813; not December 19 as claimed in the article, as the date of the Lewiston engagement (pg.149).
On pg. 149 Benn states: " [..] At about sunrise 20 December the [Tuscarora] warriors who had remained at the reservation heard shooting at Lewiston, a short distance to the west, and they rushed to the scene where they found British and American forces in action. After some sharp fighting, the Americans evacuated Lewiston and deployed the Tuscaroras to cover their retreat eastward through the reservation before heading south toward Buffalo. British forces soon afterwards looted and burned Lewiston's abandoned homes and shops, and many of the [British allied] warriors and soldiers got drunk on the liquor they found." Take note here that Benn ascribes "drunken behaviour" and the engagement in "looting" activities to both British soldiers and their Native allies; an important distinction in my mind considering what's presently being claimed in the article; where both activities are apparently ascribed to native actors alone; purportedly 'out of the control' of British authorities. Further; at the top of pg. 150, Benn maintains that American Brigadier General George McClure in a speech later that week at Buffalo, actively engaged in what Benn alleges are false and provocative accusations of the commission of atrocities (specifically "massacred women and children in cold blood") directed at both British troops and their allied Native forces; presumably in an attempt to stir allegiances amongst McClure's own allied Native troops. Again, take note that contrary to what the article presently claims, charges of wanton behaviour are levelled at both British and Native forces in this context. In the second paragraph of page 150 Benn specifically addresses these accusations when he asserts that "American charges to the contrary"; "[...] there were no widespread incidents of assaults or murders of civilians"; "[...] [a]lthough a handful of civilians died tragically during the various actions associated with [British General] Drummond's invasion. Four men, for example were killed at Lewiston by some western warriors who got drunk with some [British] regulars and then engaged in a fit of brawling and looting that also left two of the tribesmen dead and two soldiers in the British force wounded.[...]" In my opinion; all of this reinforces my initial contention that the unreferenced sentence "[t]he British officers could not restrain their drunk, bloodlusting allies from killing and mutilating civilians and looting the town", is at least a patently misleading simplification of what at least one accepted authority on the subject maintains in his research. I will be adding a citation request template to that sentence to permit you a reasonable opportunity to defend its appropriate inclusion in the article. cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 05:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the overall article, it seems to me that there may be two objectives in tension with each other: tracing the migrations of the Tuscarora, and stating their history as a linear story. I hope wiser heads than mine can figure out either how to follow a single chronological timeline, or to separate out the history of each of the geographically distinct bands. Bouncing from history, to geography, and back to history that happened earlier, and then on to a migration that happened later, creates a kind of undisciplined article. FrederickFolger ( talk) 23:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I wrote the original article...somewhere along the way the citation for a lot of the original content has gone missing. Most of the information and uncited quotes came from the 'Historical Sketches of North Carolina from 1584-1851' by John Hill Wheeler. It is available online through Google books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.120.55 ( talk) 09:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
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I came across the 25 January 1803 Weekly Raleigh Register dead link, which published an act of the NC General Assembly regarding the status of 1748 and 1756 Tuscarora nation treaties regarding lands in Bertie County, NC. The contents could add quite a bit to this article. Pnoble805 ( talk) 14:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the second paragraph is misleading. The colonists encountered the Tuscarora people, not the other way around. The sentence makes it sound like it was the colonists land and not the Tuscarora people's. To give proper credit as to who's land it was at the time, one must include the fact that it will later become North Carolina and Virginia [1]. Bh597 ( talk) 00:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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In the fourth paragraph of the overview section, one must include the fact that they are federally recognized as nations. Being recognized as a tribe is one thing, but to show how the Tuscarora people are a nation is to not diminish who they are. Bh597 ( talk) 01:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)