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We map!-- Pupster21 13:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where the treaty was actually signed in Paris. Like is there a building where they sign treaties or something? I ask because I am going to Paris for the summer and thought it would be cool to find out. -- ScottyBoy900Q 12:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)i think this will help you alot!
____________________________________________________________________________________ IPS: I'm not a history professor, but didn't this country initially try a different form of government before becoming the United States of America with the current constitution?
The United States of America was governor by several organizational structures, most notably the Articles of the Confederation, before the ratification of the United States Constitution in 1787. However, it had been called the United States of America since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. ___________________________________________________________________________________
I changed the phrase "British Colonies in North America" to "United States of America" as the British had already legally recognized the sovereignty of the United States of America in the autumn of 1782. Of course, the colonies had already recognized their own sovereignty in 1776. The text of treaty states that the treaty is with the United States of America, not former colonies.
Could someone explain this: "longer than that required by the treaty"
I don't understand, it was ratified within 6 months, so what's the problem? Krupo 02:04, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)
The following was poorly placed (after the External links section), unwikified, and looks somewhat like a school essay. If there's anything worth keeping, it can be re-merged. older≠ wiser 00:40, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The Revolutionary War ended with Cornwallis' surrender at Yorktown in 1781. John Adams, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, and Henry Laurens were sent to Paris to make the treaty. The British were anxious to stop the fighting with the colonies so they settled for most anything our representatvies wanted. --Some problems at the Peace Treaty signing was that the French were not reps. They got upset with the colonies because they thought they might get something out of it since they helped the colonies through the whole war. Benjamin Franklin was friends with the British, he talked to them and then it was all ok. --Another problem was that they werent for sure what to do with the Loyalists land. Suring the war, the Loyalists got scared and fled. They left most of their stuff, the U.S. sold it and to get money to help pay off their debt.
The Treaty of Pairs: 1. recognized the colonies as the United States of America 2. established the boundaries between the United States and British North America 3. granted fishing rights to United States fishermen in the Grand Banks, off the coast of Newfoundland and in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence 4.United States Congress will "earnestly recommend" to state legislatures to recognize the rightful owners of all confiscated lands "provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British subjects." (never implemented) 5.prisoners of war on both sides are to be released
The treaty was signed On September 3, by David Hartley (a member of the British Parliament), John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and John Jay (representing the United States).
The Continental Congress ratified the treaty on January 14, 1784.
The British troops were never completely removed because we had no army left to make them.
could you tell me what the consequences were?????
I agree I'd like to know where this was signed if anybody could answer this soon I'd really appreciate it. =)♠( Jman2213 18:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC))
Rephrase part of 'British recognition of American independence' ??
... Formerly, they had not acknowledged that he [replace 'he' with 'the ambasador'] represented Americans. The American ambassador rejected his [replace 'his' with 'the British diplomat's '] credentials because they did not authorize him to negotiate with representatives of "the United States of America". ...
After my first read through I thought there was an error (American ambassador switched with British diplomat), as 'he' was used for the diplomat and for the ambassador. I had to read through it two more time to be certain of what it was trying to convey. Changing the 'he' to the persons actual name/title/etc improves clarity at the cost of 3 additional words, seems worth it.
72.137.47.223 09:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC) newb
The preface is longer than 9 of the 10 Articles, and it needs to be mentioned in the article, especially for its opening sentence, which is significant to the raging argument over America's Christian heritage:
We have a huge amount of material in the far less important Treaty of Tripoli article about the provision in (the Barlow translation of) that treaty which is said to relate to that argument.
I've added a brief summary of the preface to the outline. NCdave ( talk) 06:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
We should not mislead people into thinking that the United States of America was a consolidated state like it is today. The United States of America were 13 sovereign states when they won independence. The USA was the name of a confederation of states, and didn't become a consolidated until much later. PhilLiberty ( talk) 14:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
signed Nov 30, 1782 http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/britain/prel1782.htm i would like to see some discussion of Jay's work leading to the treaty, and laurens named commissioner to get him out of the British jail. Pohick2 ( talk) 03:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I see the reference, but can we find out why only one article is still in force? -- Duncan ( talk) 22:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The Treaty is surely most famous for formally ending the American Revolutionary War, formally recognizing the sovereignty of the United States, and bringing to a close the First British Empire; the exact territorial provisions are an important but secondary matter. I've revised the lede to note the territorial provisions, but not say that the territorial provisions are the most "famous" part of the Treaty. MayerG ( talk) 19:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
I believe this article should be merged with Peace of Paris (1783) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.65.85 ( talk) 20:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
It is very clear that a Brit wrote unsourced information about who "defied" certain articles. Come on! This should be without opinion. Defied is a very strong word. Show me where a law says it is defying anything. It is with great restraint that I do not just delete the entire paragraph! MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 19:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion, the introduction summary could be more descriptive and possibly written. It seems to be confusing in the choice of words. Also, the article would look more appealing if more images were inserted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee042211 ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree. The intro is quite confusing. Cole128 ( talk) 01:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
The United States was a confederation of sovereign, independent countries when the treaty of Paris was signed and the treaty acknowledged the independence of each one individually, not as a single entity. Sparkie82 ( t• c) 06:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
"Article 1st:
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.Article 2d:
And that all Disputes which might arise in future on the subject of the Boundaries of the said United States may be prevented, it is hereby agreed and declared, that the following are and shall be their Boundaries, viz.; from the Northwest Angle of Nova Scotia, viz., that Angle which is formed by a Line drawn due North from..."
Although the Gettysburg Address is one of the greatest speeches ever delivered and helped to rally the nation at it's most difficult time, it had nothing to do with the Treaty of Paris. It can't be used as an authoritative source on the status of signatories to the treaty. Also, Lincoln's own prior writings on the subject of the nation's birth date contradict that date referenced in the G.A. (1776). [1] (And besides, "Three score and fourteen years ago..." just doesn't have the same ring.)
The British didn't send an ambassador to the US until 1789, when the US became a sovereign nation. (Before that time, they sent an envoy, not an ambassador.) Also, an ambassadorial relationship itself doesn't establish an entity as a sovereign nation, e.g., nations send ambassadors to the UN, which is not a separate sovereign nation.
If the US was a separate, sovereign nation in 1783, then who was the head of state? Washington didn't assume office until 1789. The colonists (non-loyalists) and those who signed the treaty understood at that time that the states were separate (although many hoped for the formation of a federal government in the near future), and that the Articles of Confederation was a treaty constituted among the several states. That treaty organization was formed to help prosecute the war and authorized to negotiate treaties on behalf of the states, which retained their full, separate sovereign status until the Constitution came into effect in 1789. The Constitution established the US as a sovereign, federal government with a head of state, a supreme law (the Constitution), and a legislature; sharing it's power with the states, who retained a portion of their sovereignty.
Also, France did not recognize the US as a single nation, but as separate sovereign states. The Treaty of Amity and Commerce Between The United States and France, which was in effect at the time (ratified February 6, 1778) states:
"The most Christian King, and the thirteen United States of North America, to wit, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay Rhode island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania Delaware, Maryland, Virginia North-Carolina, South Carolina & Georgia, willing to fix in an equitable and permanent manner the Rules which ought to be followed relative to..."
Another treaty (with Sweden 1782) also acknowledges that the states were separate at the time:
"WHEREAS in pursuance of a plenipotentiary commission, given on the 28th day of September, 1782, to the honorable Benjamin Franklin, a treaty of amity and commerce between his majesty the king of Sweden and the United States of America, was on the 3d day of April, 1783, concluded by the said Benjamin Franklin, with a minister plenipotentiary, named for that purpose, by the said king: and whereas the said treaty hath been duly approved and ratified by the United States in Congress assembled, and a translation thereof made in the words following, to wit:
A TREATY of amity and commerce concluded between his majesty the king of Sweden and the United States of North America.
The king of Sweden, of the Goths and Vandals, &c.&c.&c. and the thirteen United States of North America, to wit, New-Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New-York, new Jersey, Pennsylvania, the counties of New Castle, Kent and Suffex on Delaware, maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, desiring to establish in a stable and permanent manner the rules which ought to be observed..."
So this article should refer to the United States in the plural, and as separate, sovereign states at the time of the ratification of the Treaty of Paris. Sparkie82 ( t• c) 15:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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help); also try 2) " The United States of America was founded in 1776" in Freedom in the World 2005: The Annual Survey of Political Rights 3)
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0836872924 Richard Worth - 2006 - "Wars have shaped the history of the United States of America since the nation was founded in 1776."
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