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Why is there no mention on how the forward serves a watchdog to post defamation material against the Religious Jews? (The forward even openly supports Shmarya Rosenberg [1] an individual who dedicates his life preying on observant Jews). Branters ( talk) 00:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC) reply

You need RS support to add such assertions. Epeefleche ( talk) 01:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC) reply

The Forward has been around long enough as an institution that I see it referenced often, especially in older media. One example I recently saw: Forward in the 1925 Buster Keaton film The Seven Chances Youtube link. Anyone seen it used in other places? Redzuny ( talk) 10:35, 8 August 2015 (UTC) reply

As far as I'm concerned, the description of "socialist" better describes the publication as the politicians and policies mainstream sources call "progressive" is NOT far removed from socialism. But since obviously the political alignment is a matter of dispute, I will remove the reference from the info box. Classicalfan626 ( talk) 19:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Nonsense. You didn't read the article or its sources. I recommend you start with footnote 15. —  MShabazz  ^Talk/ _Stalk 21:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply

I just reverted a move from the current title The Forward to Forward (American newspaper). There was already a discussion years ago that is above and the consensus appears to be that The Forward is the correct name to use. I don't see any discussion to indicate that consensus has changed on this. In ictu oculi's source for the move was a picture of the front cover from around 20 years ago (it appears that this is still the case). While this is some evidence, The Forward's own website refers to itself as The Forward, and the logo is highly stylized and I don't think is conclusive on the subject. It appears the vast majority of reliable sources refer to it as The Forward as well (e.g., Nieman Labs and The Observer). Unless there's more substantial evidence out there, I don't think a move is appropriate. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 16:39, 6 December 2016 (UTC) reply

@ FuriouslySerene: hi, okay I take what you say, but http://forward.com/subscriptions/?attribution=homepage-sidebar isn't this a current front cover picture of the newspaper? In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Yes, as I said in my above comment, The Forward still uses only "Forward" on its front page, but it's essentially a logo. Look at forward.com - the newspaper itself uses The Forward to describe itself. In any event, WP:COMMONNAME applies and the commonly used name is The Forward. If you disagree, I would suggest you start a requested move discussion. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 16:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Please note the brief discussion above about whether "The" is part of the name. I happen to receive the Forward's weekly email newsletter and today there is discussion of exactly this point from the Editor-in-Chief Jodi Rudoren. She is worth quoting:

I am inclined to capitalize the "the" in The Forward. This is undoubtedly partly because I spent 21 years at The New York Times, where "The" is capped in the flag — that's what insiders call the name of the publication at the top of a website or newspaper. The "The" is part of the name.

It is also, however, because it makes more sense and sounds better. I do not think of myself as editor of Forward or forward.com the way, say, our former intern Ben Smith was editor of BuzzFeed News or our former culture editor Alana Newhouse is editor of Tablet. I run The Forward.

Except, not. The "the" is not part of our official name, and some folks who've been toiling here a lot longer than I have — and who spent a lot of time and money coming up with a new flag for our website some years back — do not like it when we capitalize the "the." And so I try to restrain myself. (Jodi Rudoren, Looking Forward, Aug 5, 2022)

The way I would summarize it is that the name is just "Forward" even though it is customary to refer to it as "the Forward". The common use of the definite article does not in my opinion mean it should be part of the article title, any more than President of the United States should be renamed to The President of the United States just because "the" appears there in the great majority of uses. Also see MOS:ARTICLETITLE on the use of definite articles in titles. I'm inclined to start a RM but will allow time for discussion. Zero ^talk 01:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

It's forward.com, you type that in and you get a page that says Forward at the top of it and The + (notanoun unless you count footballers) doesn't make "more sense and sounds better" to me. 2 cents. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Yes, and while "the Forward" refers to itself in that manner, it's not "the Forward", much less "The Forward". Clearly incorrectly pagenamed. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 05:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Article seems clearly self-contradictory here. Unless it means "Progressive by Israeli standards, right-wing anywhere else". Which seems a stretch, and would need to be sourced and glossed. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 05:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply