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I changed "The museum will be moving in 2010 to its permanent new home on Museum Mile at the corner of Fifth Avenue and E. 110th Street in the borough of Manhattan, near the neighborhood of Harlem"

to

"The museum will be moving in 2010 to its permanent new home on Museum Mile at the corner of Fifth Avenue and E. 110th Street in the borough of Manhattan, in the neighborhood of Harlem"

110th & 5th Ave. isn't "near" Harlem, it's in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.136.151 ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC) reply

this probably needs some more history, but I've added the newest developments and name change. StarM 02:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC) reply

Deleted. WP does not host such lists on museum pages. What is welcome is a list of the more notable exhibits a Museum has hosted, defined as those exhibitions that can be supported by reliable, secondary sourcing. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Love what you added Sullidav. Open to other ideas too, I just felt all the info is necessary and worried about readers getting lost without an outline. I think we'll get there eventually with header names. StarM 00:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks Star Mississippi for your praise and improvements. I had not read this Talk page before doing my edits, so I made them unaware of your statement above that something along those lines was needed. I got to this page by reading a January NYer article that quoted Susan Vogel (who to repeat myself is SO deserving of her own Wikipedia page, though I don't have time to create one now), pulling off my shelf some of the catalogs from her amazing shows (I was a longtime member & especially liked the institution when it was in its small UES space), looking it up to see what had happened to it since I had lost track when I went to DC and it went to Queens, and being disappointed with the Wiki article's lack of reference to its good old days. Maybe I should have cited some non-NYT sources, such as this one, for the sake of variety, but what I did was a at least good start for others to build on.

Also for any interested in the topic, check out Susan Vogel's great & somewhat mind-boggling 2014 biographical essay remembering her ex-husband, Jerry, on the occasion of his memorial service.

Sullidav ( talk) 16:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC) reply

More: your edits to headers are good, although on LI City header I had liked the form consistency of each of the four headings as "description / NYC neighborhood / years" and now that consistency is undone. Either way, though.

The page now has some garbles between a) recent edits and b) previous text, on the plans to move to Museum Mile/Harlem, though some of that is likely attributable to garbles in the institution's plans and messaging. Examples that could be fixed by somebody with the time and sources: (1) "the realization that the initial goal of a museum on Fifth Avenue was not sustainable" -sounds wrong, because they DID stay on Fifth Avenue, though maybe the intended point of that sentence and the source was about "a museum" not "Fifth Avenue;" (2) "at the corner of Fifth Avenue and East 110th Street in East Harlem, Manhattan" is now redundant; (3) some other redundancy & uncoordination (topics dropped then picked back up again) in that para, between last 2 sentences and early parts; (4) some material under LI City header is about the between LI City and Museum Mile Harlem times, so does not fit its header. (5) Some more of that same material is in next para under Museum Mile Harlem header, so it does not fit there either and is scattered.

Probably either of the last two headers (I'd say the fourth) should be adjusted, or a new 5th header added, so one section includes all material about the messy interim timeframe, 2006 to (what? 2010? 2019? some unknown future date? hard to say in a sort of gradual transition from nothing toward full operation), when the institution had no public space. I leave this possible rearranging and cleanup for others, or maybe future me, to consider picking up.

Sullidav ( talk) 17:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC) reply

I totally agree re: smoothing the text to reflect all current information. Especially within the last decade it has all been very confusing with the false starts and uncertain future, even before COVID. I'll try to tackle that soon as well as explore sourcing for Susan Vogel. I think your NYT sourcing is fine. Want to think some on how to convey that it will have space for its own programming, but also that of partners like the Museum of Food and Drink. StarM 14:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Ooh Sullidav did you see this? Not a reliable source, but interesting info StarM 15:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC) reply

No, and thanks StarM. Cool. Oddly, the blog's cited source, YIMBY, which apparently is a reliable source, has a totally different pictures that look much more bland and boring. Some version should probably go into the article.

Sullidav ( talk) 15:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC) reply

and all roads lead back to Susan Mullin Vogel and El Anatsui. Will try to update soon, didn't realize YIMBY was reliable so yay. StarM 16:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC) reply