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There seems to be no evidence whatsoever for any of the claims made in this article. Its all speculative story telling. Where are the documents that proove any of the claims made in this entire article. There are no Photographs or video taken to support any of the historical claims.
We may as well claim Pixies on Unicorn Horse back poked at tribes of the usual slaves to build it ! Lets just make up stuff ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.177.182.43 ( talk) 04:37, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Anonymous observation: In keeping with political correctness (and the BCE used near the start of the document), wouldn't it be a good idea to change AD to CE wherever it occurs?
I'm unable to parse the sentence "Recent studies point to Teotihuacan as having been the place where the Mesoamerican rulers of lands as what is now Honduras were somehow appointed or, at least, formally recognized." It probably has something to do with the statement a few paragraphs down that says, "...the city is occasionally referred to in the texts of Maya monuments, showing that Teotihuacan nobility traveled to and married with the families of local rulers as far away as Honduras." I've deleted the former sentence and left the latter. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 04:32, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
It should actually be spelt Teotihuacán, since the stress is on the last syllable. Kelisi 00:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Supposedly, the people who built the temples at Teotihuacan "disappeared" after the time when much of the city was burned. After that, the city supposedly wasn't occupied until the Aztecs rose to power. There's little in the article on this. Perhaps it could be expanded? (Of course, one should avoid spilling over into the rediculous realm of the paranormal myths associated with Teotihuacan.) RobertM525 23:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
"Of course they did not disapear [sp]..." Uh, yeah, I think they did. At least from history. 01:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
"at its height in the first half of the 1st millennium CE, rivaled Rome and Peking as the largest city in the world" This claim is, I see, cited... However... The Beijing article informs us that, "During the Sui (581-618) and Tang (618-907) dynasties, only small towns existed in this area." So I think there is something wrong with it... I suspect 'Peking' should be Chang'an... But I am not certain
New evidence suggests that Teotihuacan was certanly not the city of piece and that brutal sacrifices and wars in which captives were taken were common. Also, some of the sacrificial victims (some were killed by being hit several times on the head and others decapitated) seem to have been from Guatemala, and therefore mayans. This proves that Teotihuacan subjected at least some mayan cities and did not spread its influence through commerce and religion but conquest insted. A very different picture emerges. Its empire spread from the Valley of Mexico beetwen both oceans to Honduras. This new evidence could be a good edition to the article. See National Geographic`s pyramid of death [2]. Harioris 23:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Porhaps old but not very old, and the information about the empire and warefare is quite obscure in the article. Harioris 11:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
A power and influence comparable to ancient Rome. This seems a gross exaggeration. Teotihuacan's power and influence was great, but cannot be compared with a directly ruled empire stretching from Scotland to North Africa. Dudley Miles 21 January 2007.
I compleately agree with Manus because Teotihuacan probably did not have any rivals in Mesoamerica unlike Rome later in europe and its directly ruled empire was most likely the largest ever in the Central america, much larger than that of the the more famous Aztec. The Teotihuacan empire lasted loger than the Roman and while Rome was certanly sacked, burned and conquered by other nations, Teotihuacan most certanly did not suffer such fate as there was no powerful nation in Mesoamerica at that time that could conquer it even if weakened from inside (civil war, revolution etc.).The city dystroyed itsef from the inside. There are indications that Teotihuacan was known for its power and glory as far as the north part of the modern USA. All other later nations were influenced by the allready abandoned Teotihuacan whose size inspired many legends and myths. And its legacy in buildings is even stil today very much preserved unlike Rome that is laying in uninteresting ruins. Harioris 16:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I reverted a strange edit by 71.224.62.165, but forgot to include the IP in the comment. -- NIC1138 00:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Lawrence Gowan, the Canadian musician, filmed his "Moonlight Desires" video on the steps of the pyramids in 1987. ( 205.250.167.76 04:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC))
I recently had the opportunity to sit in on a program comparing various cultures, with Maize as a common factor shared by each. Teotihuacan was part of this program and one of the program slides showed an angle of the Avenue of the Dead that struck me as possibly something other than what it may appear to be. When I saw the walls that run across the avenue at various locations, in my imagination they became dividers and bridges from side to side. Why would they be dividers...because of the elevation changes and why bridges, because the space between would be filled with water. I have never visited the site, so maybe on closer examination, the spaces wouldn't hold water, much like my theory. There would also have to be some kind of conduit to transport the water to the site and perhaps this doesn't exist. It was the combination of the dividers, the flatness of the space between the lower platforms along with the descending staircases (into the water) and the length of the avenue that took on an appearance of water and water was something every culture worshipped and what better way to honor it or show one's power and control, than fill either the entire Avenue of the Dead or a portion of it with this precious commodity. Let me know what the general consensus is for the construction of the apparent dividers. 24.220.28.194 21:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC) May 9, 2007/L. Parks
Uuh, I dont really think this kind of original research is good for Wiki. On the note you were going for thourgh, there is a river that runs to the site, there are open holes in the separating walls you speak of, but the avenue itself is open ended in places Mwheatley1990 ( talk) 03:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
hi cjllw,
i was the one who edited out the Big Smoke comment. I've been tinkering with the Teo article the last few days, and the 'Big Smoke' line has always bugged me a little, perhaps because I have never lived in any of those cities so it just doesn't resonate for me and seems out of place in the article. I also think it's not quite the same parallel - if I understand 'Big Smoke' correctly, the name is the only factor these places have in common, whereas 'Tollan' was (if we understand it correctly) more evocative of a whole set of ideas about what constituted a community (particularly an urban one). In some respects I'd say another (better?) parallel could be 'Springfield' or 'Washington' in as much as locales with these names participate in the evocation of a real or symbolic social and/or political archetype of a community. If that's what's going on with 'Big Smoke' - if there is an Ur-'Big Smoke' from which all other Big Smokes derive their legitimacy - then I think it's ok to include. If not . . . At a minimum, I'd suggest we expand the field a little bit so 'Big Smoke' has some context - but then we get into areas not directly related to Teotihuacan. Perhaps this comment could live on the Tollan page? Mhrobb ( talk) 04:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
During 1969, I visited this site as a student. We, and many others, walked up and down the staircase of the Pyramid of the Moon. Are tourists still allowed to do this? I hope not. Grandma Roses ( talk) 18:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Teotihuacán → Teotihuacan — As with the article Tenochtitlan, there should be no accent over the "a". The accent (as says footnote #1) is a Spanish convention but "Teotihuacan" is not a Spanish name nor a Spanish place. Note that the Spanish Wikipedia article does not have an accent (see this). It is similarly out of place in an English encyclopedia. Madman ( talk) 02:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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This from the section "Religion" has no cites and looks like somebody's speculation. Please provide good cites for this before replacing in the main article.
The religion of Teotihuacan is similar to those of other Mesoamerican cultures. Many of the same gods were worshiped, including the Feathered Serpent and The Rain god. Teotihuacan was a major religious center, and the priests probably had a great deal of political power. As with other Mesoamerican cultures, Teotihuacanos practiced human sacrifice. Human bodies and animal sacrifices have been found during excavations of the pyramids at Teotihuacan; it is believed that when the buildings were expanded, sacrifices were made to dedicate the new building. The victims were probably enemy warriors captured in battle and then brought to the city to be ritually sacrificed so the city could prosper. Some were decapitated, some had their hearts removed, others were killed by being hit several times over the head and some were even buried alive. Animals that were considered sacred and represented mythical powers and military might were also buried alive but imprisoned in cages: cougars, a wolf, eagles, a falcon, an owl, and even venomous snakes.
-- 201.17.36.246 ( talk) 23:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Of course, anything about the religion is speculation... even if it is reasonable speculation. Gingermint ( talk) 01:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I added some "perhaps" sort of things into the front part of the article as it was written as though some of the statements were absolute fact. An example is the date of the city's occupation. Though what is stated is reasonable theory, it remains theory until more evidence is available. My edit reflects this. The same is true regarding the influence of the city. The language has to reflect the uncertainty. 75.48.26.147 ( talk) 01:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
vine snakes are snakes that climb vines way high in the sky it is a mystical snake from 4508 b.c.only having a snake this long ago is great fined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.80.163 ( talk) 00:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure if it's an American thing but speaking like this: "Many Maya states would suffer similar fates in the coming centuries. Nearby in the highlands, Xochicalco would be sacked and burned in 900 CE and Tula would meet a similar fate around 1150 CE" - is not the most clear way to express information. Saying something WOULD happen, when clearly it happened a long time ago, is surely just adding tobasco to a thai curry: unnecessary.
This is the past, and not in prose, lets keep it there? ----12/11/13, Tom
The bibliography format is highly idiosincratic. While I appreciate the intention, small caps should only be reserved for the most significant family name, as is sometimes done in Latin languages (because each language has a different position for it; last in Portuguese, middle in Castilan, for instance.
I propose to convert the author=Last, First to the usual last = Last | first = First.
Anyone got a problem with it?
There should be a section on the restoration of Teotihuacan. See website
The pictures on this site dramatically demonstrate the extensive modern restoration of the Teotihuacan and should be included.
189.209.181.125 ( talk) 20:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Given the importance of Teotihuacan, and the amount known about the site through archaeology, this entry is pretty poor. Few of the topics are up to date, the chronology is not well described or used in the article, and many of the sources are inadequate popular works. I don't have time to work on this myself, and I would hesitate to do that anyway. When I set about improving the "Aztec" page several years ago, the people working on that page really resented having an expert trying to fix errors and improve things, so I gave up. (In fact I posted my own alternative Aztec entry on my website so that there would be at least one authoritative popular article on the Aztecs available online.) I really wish there were a good popular introduction to Teotihuacan on the internet, but this entry does not do the trick, and I wouldn't refer people to it. Michael E. Smith ( talk) 16:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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In December, an IP user added several incorrectly formatted and unsourced sections. I've formatted the sections, removed redundancy, and tagged as unsourced. Should any of this be kept? Fences& Windows 09:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
" ... where rests of rulers of the ancient city might have been deposited." ? 50.111.54.42 ( talk) 09:22, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
¡Hola! The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Era style calls for consistency. Currently there's a mix of BCE/CE and BC/AD. Can we make the era convention consistent? I lean towards BCE/CE but open to whatever makes the article consistent. Thanks! cas ( talk) 21:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)