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This may have been related to merger efforts over several years. See merger discussion involving Temperate climate, Temperateness, and Middle latitudes. The discussion at Talk:Temperateness was closed in September 2012 (after 3 years with only 3 statements). This merger hasn't been completed despite a consensus finding. Some of those involved in the discussion may no longer paja active on Wikipedia.
See also Temperate climate: Revision history

  • 16:46, 6 July 2008‎ RussBot ‎ m . . (27 bytes) (+4)‎ . . (Robot: Fixing double-redirect -"Temperate" +"Temperateness")
  • 04:20, 26 August 2004‎ Rvollmert ‎ . . (23 bytes) (-1,315)‎ . . (redirect to Temperate, where this has been merged)

This page has been recreated to attract interest and involvement from WP:WPMET.
SBaker43 ( talk) 06:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC) reply

Appropriate recreation and support merge from temperateness and middle latitudes. Temperateness would seem to be a more general term and strikes me as rather odd as a title. It does have references which should be included in a merge. Middle latitudes could be retained perhaps as a more general geography concept if rewritten - current content is climate and would better fit under temperate climate. Vsmith ( talk) 15:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC) reply
I've merged the information in Temperateness into a copy of this article. The results are available at User:Watchwolf49z/sandbox. All I've done is include the citations and some in-line linkage. I'm proposing this copy be made the main article here and the Temperateness article be submitted for deletion. I've left Middle latitudes alone as that is part of WikiProject:Geography, and I'm not in a position to say the climatic information there shouldn't be. I'm only trying to serve the merge call, and this should cover it for now. Watchwolf49z ( talk) 15:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC) reply
With no objections raised, the merger is done and the call is cleared. Watchwolf49z ( talk) 02:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC) reply
Reverted changes to the translations, doesn't look right Watchwolf49z ( talk) 18:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC) reply

-- "merge" of the two or more articles consists of two stages: merge the content of the article and merge of history of changes ( [1] and [2]). This second step: merge of history of changes , the administrator must perform. Subtropical-man ( talk) 15:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply


Hello, the colours for the Iberian Peninsula are not correct. How can the south and southeast of Spain be represented with a green colour while the southern part of Portugal being represented as subtropical? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.32.63 ( talk) 20:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC) reply

what is more, how can be Northern Italy regarded as subtropical while SE Iberia (nearly desertic) placed in the temperate zone?. It doesn´t make any sense. Florian Blaschke ( talk) 11:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC) reply
You need to pay attention to altitude as well. Southern Spain is largely mountainous, Northern Italy is very low-lying. Also, temperate climate is defined by temperature regime, not precipitation. Temperate regions can be arid, for example steppe, semi-desert and desert regions in Central Asia. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 11:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC) reply

Subarctic

Subarctic climates are definitely not temperate. Maybe they are in the temperate zone, but not temperate.

therefore maybe you need to create a separate article for the temperate zone and a one for temperate climates. דולב חולב ( talk) 15:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC) reply

This is more complicated. Subpolar climates are in the temperate zone if we are to take the classical "tropical - temperate - polar" approach. As for a "temperate climate", there are different definitions for that. According to Trewartha, climates can only be temperate if they have 4-8 months over 10C (so both subpolar and subtropical climates are not temperate). Köppen's definition is generally broader but also more restricted; a temperate climate needs to have at least a month over 10C (subpolar oceanic climates are included), but also winters above freezing (i.e. continental climates are not temperate, and neither are subpolar continental ones). This page uses Köppen, and therefore it includes the subpolar oceanic zone. Uness232 ( talk) 17:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Exactly. But the article includes subpolar continental climate דולב חולב ( talk) 15:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
You're right, I missed that. I've removed the section. Uness232 ( talk) 20:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
It seems there is a more severe conceptual confusion happening on this page. It purports to be a Köppen-related article, but mixes all sorts of definitions together from different classifications. One of two things have to be done; either this becomes a Köppen page or a broader one. A similar problem to the one we've been having over at Humid subtropical climate. Uness232 ( talk) 20:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Given that there are different climate classifications apart from Köppen (with Trewartha being the second most used), I'm not entirely sure making this a Köppen-only article is a good idea as I do think other classifications for temperate climates (or at least Trewartha) could be mentioned at least briefly alongside Köppen. But I definitely think a separate article for the temperate zones is needed because temperate zones are different from temperate climates. Broman178 ( talk) 11:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC) reply
Fair, but that would be part of a larger discussion at Talk: Humid subtropical climate. We need to think about what these climate pages ought to be, how much weight is due to Köppen and other climate classifications. Uness232 ( talk) 13:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC) reply