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I Agree, but you are wrong on a couple of things. 1- only I gang is allowed by LA eme to wear red and that is the east side Wilmas located in Wilmington ca. Due to their history before the sur-norte war. All other neighborhoods wear blue to represent Sur and some wear secondary colors(not red) to represent their particular set example- the watts varrio grape st. wear purple for grape. The same goes for nortenos. 2- the dividing line for south and north is Delano. Bakersfield is a southern city, Delano is claimed by the north. TombigG ( talk) 21:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
No, you’re actually wrong about the color part. Sureño cliques can rep whatever they feel like, it depends on the set. RelatedToMarioPrayer ( talk) 07:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I find it a struggle to believe that the Sureños have some kind of Latvian chapter. Please provide references to this before reinserting these facts. danno 23:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I have rewritten the entire article, added verifiable links, citations, images, external links, appropriate categories, correct information concerning history, location, criminal activities, culture and other general information. I completely remade the reference list. There may be some minor errors but overall, it is complete, accurate and contains real information from a non biased perspective from a person with expertise on gangs.
MzNobody ( talk) 19:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
what is your expertise on gangs ?
the article needs citations for any new information.--
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My degree and work in the criminal justice field will suffice. Many articles needs additional citations to validate all the claims made. That is why we have templates requesting Wikipedia users to add more citations and references. Any vandalism on the pages that I monitor will be reverted immediately. Repeated vandalism will be reported. MzNobody ( talk) 10:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion it's still in dire need of a some serious editing. Some of it sounds like it's written by Sureños fanboys or something. 77.99.12.140 ( talk) 04:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sureños's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "dc.state.fl.us":
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This is quite a bold assertion, isn't a reference or two in order? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.11.235.1 ( talk) 21:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Good monrning. I am about to be bold and revert the re-insertion made by User:Niteshift36 where he re-added Juggalos as an ally of Surenos to the article infobox, based on | this source. The bulleted references to Juggalo influences cites 0/11 being related to Surenos (5 are to Blood sets) and Appendix 1 of source only references 1/37 listed Juggalo sets as influenced by SUR 13, so I think that this source falls far short of including the Juggalo reference to this level. Boogerpatrol ( talk) 13:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I advocate for the complete removal of any reference to the Surenos as an "ally" of the Juggalos, as the single source only lists one instance of an alliance, and even then, this is just a small set, it's not even an LA or San Diego set. Solntsa90 ( talk) 23:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
You're the only one here arguing for inclusion of a link that I (and others, obviously) consider as WP:UNDUE because it places too much weight into a single flimsy report and a single city set.
No, the inclusion does not "illustrate the Surenos willingness to affiliate on a broader base", as there is no evidence to draw such a broad conclusion, and I am starting to wonder if this is a trolling attempt to keep the Juggalos included as a Sureno ally. I'm removing it again, as I feel it is strongly WP:UNDUE. Solntsa90 ( talk) 23:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Nightshift, despite your temper tantrums and whining, the facts remain the same: Surenos are Not allied with the Juggalos, as per above, where the "source" you provide only cites them as being "influenced" by Surenos, not allied. Your claims thus are a stretch.
Unless you can prove without a doubt that the broader Sureno gang is allied with the Juggalo "gang", then you cannot make such presumptuous statements like they are "allies" with the Surenos based on a single bullet point that doesn't even support what you're saying. That is vandalism (and I only say it since AGF is hard to do with someone who seems to have a personal vendetta against the Juggalos for whatever reason, and then throws a fit and accuses me of being in their ranks).
Have a nice day! :)
Solntsa90 ( talk) 20:03, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
(P.S, I prefer Russian music, I don't really like rap music at all )
Japan is heavily influenced by China. Turkey is heavily influenced by Mongolia and Greece. Israel is heavily influenced by it's Arab neighbors. Does this mean these countries are "allies"? Please No original research., which is what you're doing every time you draw a broad conclusion such as you have done repeatedly.
As far as "caring" about these pages, Wikipedia isn't about caring--it's about accuracy. With that said, saying the Juggalos are allied with the nation-wide Sureno gang is outrageously inaccurate, so I hopped to the challenge.
Finally, "wiki-stalking"? No such thing. I just keep an eye out for problem editors. Solntsa90 ( talk) 03:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Also problematic' is the usage of the plural form "sets", despite there being a single set referenced in your source, and a flimsy source on this issue at that. Why the statement "sets" in the plural form if there is only one set being (shoddily) referenced? Solntsa90 ( talk) 03:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
If I'm guessing right as to what this is trying to say, I'd rephrase it:
Is that close to accurate? — Tamfang ( talk) 16:48, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
This page needs to be updated . all of it, there outdated . Someone needs to do more research on Sureños and there sets . True.BlueXiii ( talk) 01:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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There are certain parts of this article that are totally incorrect. Santa Rosa is not a sureno stronghold. Surenos have no stronghold in The Bay Area. however there is a presence of upstate surenos in many bay area cities. Breakchains ( talk) 07:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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South Los 13 2600:8801:DF00:43AF:486F:1CD0:C0A6:A772 ( talk) 22:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
The LAT source doesn't actually say what the editor of that part claims in terms of Fresno being the dividing line for North/South in CA Mexican gangs. The article doesnt discuss the topic at all. I added a law enforcement source that has it as Bakersfield or Delno (north of Bakersfield). This accords with the Norteno page and most other sources ive seen say. Desqjockey ( talk) 20:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
In the last paragraph the word “led” should be used instead of “lead” Pjr574 ( talk) 06:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
On April 9th, 2023 three gang members shot at a pedestrian who was wearing red in the city of Fremont then shot and killed 5 year old girl, Eliyanah Crisostomo on the I-880 freeway. Three members of the Sureño gang were later arrested in Santa Cruz and have been charged with the murder. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/eliyanah-crisostomos-family-just-innocent-victims-in-880-fatal-freeway-shooting/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/eliyanah-crisostomo-shooting-sureno-gang-members-arrested-interstate-880-fremont/ Aaron Rac ( talk) 12:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)