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I came to this article to find out what a stative verb is, but all the examples given are of verbs that aren't stative. Does this not seem wrong somehow? -- holizz 13:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I have problems with Dowty's analysis. It would be original research if I were to put my criticisms into the article myself, but perhaps someone up on current literature on this can balance the argument by citing published criticism or alternative views. I agree that standard English would not normally put a stative verb into a progressive form, though some regional Englishes use progressives much more widely, so that this would not be true for example in Scottish Highland English. However, the other three "tests" are dubious even in standard English.
(Assuming he has been represented correctly in this article, that is. I haven't read his work!) -- Doric Loon 13:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Are the examples in the first box correct? should it not be
lay---lie who says..."be lying" set---sit Phebert61 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure that in this example think is stative? It refers to mental activity, which is a process which happens in time rather than a state, at least according to my POV. "I am thinking" is a perfectly legitimate sentence using the verb with the same meaning, for example. I'm removing this example, if someone believes it should stay for some reason, feel free to re-add it explaining why. -- Army1987 10:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
No, it was me who added that example, and it was indeed "think" I had in mind. But Army1987 is right, it is a bad example. -- Doric Loon 20:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Seriously, who put this box there? As if English were the only language that had stative verbs! 59.112.40.174 17:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I would be interested to know whether stative verbs can have past tenses e.g. "I used to be an atheist" - or can this reanalysed as a state "I no longer believe in God"?
I wonder if this page would benefit from a more extensive list of stative verbs in English, perhaps divided into the categories usually used for teaching English - long-term mental states, performative verbs, verbs that describe possession etc. (Although I realise one can apply Dowty's analysis to determine if a verb is stative or not). I also wonder if there should be a discussion of the fact that sense verbs can be both stative and dynamic, for example, 'I am tasting the soup' vs 'the soup tastes bad'. Finally, how about 'see', being a state verb when it means 'see with your eyes' but not when it means 'meet' or 'have a relationship with' ('I am seeing Julie tomorrow', 'I have been seeing my boyfriend for three years') Seonaidbeckwith 10:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The examples and explanation of the stative here seems rather vague. granted, my knowledge of it comes from Middle Egyptian, but I understood it to describe the state resulting from the action of the verb - for example, "the table is laid". I think it could do with some clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.63.241 ( talk) 15:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the duration and endpoints of verbs generally expressed by the aspect and tense as well as any supplemental expressions of time or duration accompanying the verb? Thus, you can have a progessive past tense stative verb like in this example: "I was being a real ass yesterday" or a perfect future tense stative verb like in: "I will have two children by the time I am thirty". With these examples, I do not understand how the claim that Stative Verbs have no duration and no endpoint can be made.
Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.85.38.169 ( talk) 19:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not a linguist, just an English teacher, so I can't pronounce on the validity of this article for languages such as Swedish. However, it contains some misleading material.
First of all, the affirmation that "An English phrase like 'he plays piano' may be either stative or dynamic ..." is confusing on many levels: 1) it introduces the notion that there are Stative/Dynamic "phrases" while the article is about "verbs"; 2) it's unclear what meanings the author is referring to (I presume he means Stative = "he knows how to play/he has the habit of practicing ...", Dynamic = "he is playing"); 3) if "play" refers to a general property of the subject "he" here, it's because that's a condition of the Present Perfect verb aspect, not because "play" is a stative verb (the putative subject of the article); at this rate all verbs are stative when put in this aspect ("he eats whole wheat bread", etc).
Next, the affirmation that "A stative verb is often intransitive, while a corresponding [dynamic] one would be transitive" may be useful in some languages, but doesn't hold up well in English. Stative verbs like "love", "contain" and "owe" are Transitive, while the Dynamic verbs "rain", "rise" and "snore", for example, are (or can be) Intransitive. "Look" is Dynamic and Intransitive, while "see" is Stative and Transitive. In the table of English verbs, all the "stative/intransitive" verbs are by my lights Dynamic! 1) position verbs like "lie", "sit" and "stand" can all take the Progressive form ("he's lying/sitting/standing on the sofa") and be imperatives ("Lie/Sit/Stand there!"); 2) the particles furnished in parentheses normally give these verbs an inchoative aspect (Sit = be sitting, Sit down = assume a seated position), drawing us even further from a Stative notion towards voluntary, punctual actions.
Now, I've always assumed that the Progressive test was sufficient proof that these position verbs were Dynamic, however strange that may seem (compare French "être assis" vs "s'asseoir"), suggesting that our English ancestors visualised these acts as implying some investment of the person. If not, I'd like somebody to explain what to do with these verbs. Caballerodelfebo ( talk) 11:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
After reading this article I'm still not quite sure what stative verbs really are, but I think that the German preposition examples are not well chosen or at least not well explained. Those "Wechselpräpositionen", as they are called in the article, are not really determined by verbs. They take the accusative case if they express a change of location, but otherwise the dative case. You can easily make sentences with two prepositions, one of which takes the accusative and one the dative. For example: Auf dem Schulhof klettern die Kinder auf einen Baum. "In the schoolyard, the children are climbing on a tree." Auf dem Schulhof "in the schoolyard" is dative because it does not express a change of location (the children stay in the schoolyard), while auf einen Baum "on a tree" is accusative because there is a change of location (they climb to the top). So verbs don't (directly) determine the behaviour of these prepositions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.206.163.136 ( talk) 01:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not a native English-speaker, so I don't know if an imperative can be used for to know in English. But for the German and French equivalents wissen and savoir, imperatives certainly can be used. For example: Wisse, dass ich immer für dich da sein werde! (German) and Sache que je serai toujours là pour toi! (French), both meaning: "Know" that I will always be there for you! So does that mean that the German and French verbs are not stative, even though they are otherwise used exactly as is to know in English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.206.163.136 ( talk) 01:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
The identification of stative with intransitive is misleading.
Examples (all the following are intransitive):
He sat (may be stative or dynamic)
He sat as soon as he was told to do so (dynamic)
He sat down as soon as he was told to do so (dynamic)
He sat for three hours (stative)
*He sat down for three hours (not a valid sentence)
while the following example is transitive but stative:
He kept the child hidden until the danger had passed
Ehrenkater ( talk) 18:06, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I was led to this page when I read in another article that Chinese has no adjectives but stative verbs. Now I'm still confused because Chinese is not included at all in this article. Why did you put a link to this when it causes more questions than answers? -- 2.245.194.8 ( talk) 20:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting scrapping this messy article, which contains some useful concepts. Yet, several sections in this article are predicated on dubious linguistic premises that seem to conflate notions relating to "stative" (i.e. a state/status that can be dynamic, fluid, continuative or not) and "static" (which contrasts dynamic). Sorry that I lack interest in attempting to discombobulate this article. I intend an alternative forum to re-indoctrinate individuals who champion the article's intended premise. --Kent Dominic 01:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I am going to delete the whole section on grammatical case. It is completely unreferenced, and must be judged spurious OR. The phenomenon discussed here has nothing to do with stative verbs.
In German, as in all Indo-European languages that retain case inflections, a preposition dictates the case of the noun that follows it: für die Stadt ('for the city' - accusative), aus der Stadt ('out of the city' - dative). Although it is true that prepositional phrases often follow verbs, the case of the noun has nothing to do with what verb precedes it: in Ich arbeite für die Stadt ('I work for the city'), the accusative die Stadt is required by the preposition für, not by the verb arbeiten. So when we come to the group of prepositions that have two meanings which attract different cases, like in + dative = 'in', in + accusative = 'into', that is also a feature of the preposition, not of any verb that comes before it.
Besides, the distinction here is not stative versus dynamic; it is movement versus location, which is a very different thing. Consider these examples: Ich gehe in die Stadt spazieren ('I am going for a walk into town') and Ich gehe in der Stadt spazieren ('I am going for a walk in the town'); you will be hard pressed to argue that the verb gehen ('walk') is dynamic in the first sentence and stative in the second.
Incidentally, it is also quite misleading to suggest that this a particularly German phenomenon. These prepositions already had this case alternation in Proto-Indo-European (originally accusative-ablative) and show the same feature in Latin, Greek, Russian and all the case-inflected Germanic languages, including Old English. Not an important point for present purposes, but it does show that the person who added this to the article was not a linguist. Frankly, it is embarassing that this has been in the article since 2012 and nobody has called it out! Doric Loon ( talk) 11:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)