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I think the "Anatomy" jeffsection is slightly confusing as it is. I am offering this minor edit, primarily rearrangement with a small amount of added text. Since this page is protected, I can't edit directly:
Solifugids are moderate to large arachnids, with the larger species reaching 7 centimetres (2.8 in) in length. The body is divided into a forward part, or prosoma, and a segmented abdomen. The prosoma is divided into a relatively large anterior carapace, including the animal's eyes, and a smaller posterior section.
While Solifuges appear to have ten legs, they actually have eight legs. The the first pair of appendages are long pedipalps, which function as sense organs similar to insects' antennae and give the appearance of an extra pair of legs. The pedipalps terminate in eversible adhesive organs which are used for climbing and to capture flying prey. These are very strong and are used for various functions such as drinking, fighting, feeding and mating. Posterior to the pedipalps are the eight legs typical of all arachnids. The first pair of these legs are thin and short and used as tactile organs, so that only the other posterior six legs are used for running.[3] The fourth pair of legs are the longest and strongest and carry white structures called racket organs - the purpose of which is not known. [1]
The most distinctive feature of Solifugae is their large chelicerae, which are longer than the prosoma. Each of the two chelicerae are composed of two articles forming a powerful pincer; each article bears a variable number of teeth. They stridulate with their chelicerae, resulting in a rattling noise.[2] Mombat ( talk) 15:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
As anecdotal evidence. What I saw, and was told at the time that it was a camel spider:- Whilst I lived in Oman, The specimen I obseved was approximately 300mm +-50mm leg end to leg end. It ran into our camp fire whilst we were camping in the desert close to Fasad/Shisur in Oman. It was extremely aggressive and eventually one of our party had to hit with a spade, thereafter we examined it.
This order seems to go by a host of names; I'm just a layman, so it would be nice if someone who's a specialist could clarify things. I added a list of alternate names from [1], although they prefer Solpugida. Solifugae seems to be the most common though. DopefishJustin 01:42, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
that should be listed and linked to this page. -TF
Should this page be merged with Camel_Spider??
Pud 17:02, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
whats the deal with the http://www.chinapost1.org/guestbook.asp link at the bottom of the page? took me a couple of minutes to find the right page in the guestbook, and the entry isn't really relevant ( http://www.chinapost1.org/guestbook.asp?recordnum=90 at the moment)
de:Kamelspinne suggests that Camel Spider is a name for one species of solifugid, namely Galeodes arabs. Is this true, or is the name applied indiscriminately? — Charles P. (Mirv) 07:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
151.26.58.170 is the IP number of the person who contributed the tidbit about Rhagodes nigrocinctus having venom. I'm fairly new to this, and am unsure how to contact users directly to inquire about problems. Specifically, I cannot find an actual literature citation to back this up - just webpage after webpage saying R. nigrocinctus in India paralyzes lizards - accordingly, I am suspicious that this, too, is an Urban Legend. I'm tempted to do an edit to remove the claim, or state that the claim is unverified. Anyone have any other ideas?
It do`nt give any camel.spiders, which can paralyze another animals. Paralyzing means to have poison. But this spiders have powerful pincers. So it is not necessary for them to have venom. Venom often have animals, which do not have strong "weapons". Their claws are sharp enough to kill a small lizard. -- Fackel 20:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
A slice of this article under "Urban Legends" seems to be identical to the text here: http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Solifugae In that link, the text "with the possible exception of one species in India (see below)" makes sense. In this wikipedia article, there does not seem to be any reference to the Indian study "below". Perhaps the appearance of plaigiarism should be corrected, and the Wiki article edited to flow properly?
How do I insert a link into a text so a word or phrase becomes the link itself. When I highlight the word and click the external link icon, I don't see a dialog box asking for the http: address to be inserted. How do I get this to work?? Jlujan69 11:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
removed: "Recently, there has been a study conducted at Harvard regarding this controversy: as it turns out, solifugae are able to produce saliva that both numbs feeling by killing nerve endings as well as destroy {sic} the ability to heal."
If somebody wants to clean that up and add a reference, feel free, otherwise, it's out. Anazgnos 18:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
If they like shade and the humvee was driving slow they might try to stay in the shade. -- Gbleem 07:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is this considered spam? -- Gbleem 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
A human cannot run 30 miles per hour... 10 mph, maybe, but even that can be hard to achieve. (not Anjouli)
A little way down the page there is this sentence;
"As indicated by their name, Solifugae ..."
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You guys might wish to remove the drawing of a Persian False Spider from the upper right of the page. 75.176.108.7 ( talk) 14:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Ive seen those Solifugaes, and they can get as large as 15 cm! 84.186.92.210 ( talk) 17:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Camel spiders are fairly common in the California desert areas around Los Angeles, often called "wind scorpions" and "sun spiders" by locals. Typical size here is 1-2 inches but they can get bigger. I once found one in my shoe -- with my foot! -- but it didn't bite, just freaked me out. These guys like to eat other more pesky bugs so while I am likely to squish one if startled, I am going to just toss it outdoors if I can.
Stories from troops and pictures on the web show that the citation which says these only grow to 4.7 inches is whacked. This article needs a new citation from as more recent reliable source. 66.97.213.202 ( talk) 17:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
"They may grow to a length of 300 mm (12 in) including legs"
Where I live the small sizes such as 5cm or less are the plausible ones. The problem is to prove that they don't grow larger elsewhere. Also, figures are bandied about with very little indication of their basis, whether leg-tip to leg-tip of stretched specimens, or celicerae-to-posterior-tip body length. I recommend that all size figures be reduced to a statement along these lines, plus any really thoroughly documented figures with full descriptions of how they were measured. Bearing in mind the fact that there are several families of different sizes and shapes in various countries, a single figure means little anyway. This is definitely an example of where we need to apply WP citation requirements stringently. JonRichfield ( talk) 11:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Wait a minute... So you morons are claiming the maximum possible size is based off of bad estimates of size from pictures where the things pictured are clearly much larger than you're claiming? That is invalid criteria on Wikipedia! And, some of you off of species in North America, despite the huge ones in non-edited "urban legend" photos are in the Middle East! This is not authentic research at all! You're all stupid! And, Wikipedia needs to do a crack down on this page's editors for not following correct protocols in what is pushed as facts! This is awful! There's numerous wikipedia arachnid pages just awful like this! (Yeah, I'm not supposed to call you morons either... But, that's nowhere near as bad as pushing false facts to hundreds of thousands of strangers over personal stupidity!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.247.182 ( talk) 14:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
So this page is locked because people are adding erroneous information to it on purpose or are they just confused? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Texhausballa ( talk • contribs) 18:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
It being different from what you see in New Mexico, or California does not make it vandalism. The fact you even think sun scorpions out here are camel spiders is ridiculous! What part of there are no camels here, do you not understand? These are not the same species of creature, even if they might be related species! To argue that a camel spider can't possibly be big just because a tiny sun scorpion isn't is like arguing that a tiger must be little because domestic cats are! Two different species, living in two different environments, in two different parts of the world! That is not vandalism! You lot should be banned for not being about facts, or science, and instead being about sun scorpions you see in your living rooms! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.247.182 ( talk) 14:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
The introduction is too long and does not conform to Wikipedia's standards. Its content should be organized into sections and moved to the main article. Solian en ( talk) 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I just scooped one of these guys into a jar and noticed some really strange structures on its underside. From the front the structures look mushroom shaped (they looked like suction cups at first glance), from the side they look pretty much flat and are white in color. They run from where the legs attach to the body outward, and all the way up the first section of the rear most legs. I'm not able to get a good picture of this guy yet as he is still alive but I managed to get a blurry one through a jar. Anyone have any idea what these are? IJB TA ( talk) 16:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Those are the "malleolar organs". They drag along the substrate as the animal walks. As far as I know their function(s) is(are) unknown. The nerve tracts that connect the malleolar organs to the rest of the nervous system are large, suggesting that they are very important to these guys.
Scorpions have similar organs called "pectin organs" in roughly the same place. In scorpions they kind of look like little wings. I did some electron microscopy of pectine organs and they appear to be sensory, but, as with the malleolar organs, the exact functions are unknown. Desoto10 ( talk) 04:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Solifugae is an order of Arachnida, containing more than 1,000 described species in about 140 genera. The name derives from Latin, and means those that flee from the sun. The order is also known by the names Solpugida, Solpugides, Solpugae, Galeodea and Mycetophorae. Their common names include camel spider, wind scorpion, jerrymuglum, sun scorpion and sun spider. In southern Africa they are known by a host of names including red romans, haarskeerders and baarskeerders, the latter two relating to the belief they use their formidable jaws to clip hair from humans and animals to line their subterranean nests.[1]
Solifugae are not true spiders, which are from a different order, Araneae. Like scorpions and harvestmen, they belong to a distinct arachnid order.
I think the "Anatomy" section is slightly confusing as it is. I am offering this minor edit, primarily rearrangement with a small amount of added text. Since this page is protected, I can't edit directly:
Solifugids are moderate to large arachnids, with the larger species reaching 7 centimetres (2.8 in) in length. The body is divided into a forward part, or prosoma, and a segmented abdomen. The prosoma is divided into a relatively large anterior carapace, including the animal's eyes, and a smaller posterior section.
While Solifuges appear to have ten legs, they actually have eight legs. The the first pair of appendages are long pedipalps, which function as sense organs similar to insects' antennae and give the appearance of an extra pair of legs. The pedipalps terminate in eversible adhesive organs which are used for climbing and to capture flying prey. These are very strong and are used for various functions such as drinking, fighting, feeding and mating. Posterior to the pedipalps are the eight legs typical of all arachnids. The first pair of these legs are thin and short and used as tactile organs, so that only the other posterior six legs are used for running.[3] The fourth pair of legs are the longest and strongest and carry white structures called racket organs - the purpose of which is not known. [1]
The most distinctive feature of Solifugae is their large chelicerae, which are longer than the prosoma. Each of the two chelicerae are composed of two articles forming a powerful pincer; each article bears a variable number of teeth. They stridulate with their chelicerae, resulting in a rattling noise.[2] Mombat (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
This order seems to go by a host of names; I'm just a layman, so it would be nice if someone who's a specialist could clarify things. I added a list of alternate names from [1], although they prefer Solpugida. Solifugae seems to be the most common though. DopefishJustin (01:42, Apr 7, 2004 UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.166.10 ( talk) 17:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Is that legit or shopped?-- ILoveSky ( talk) 03:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The final paragraph in the "Urban Legends" section needs to be significantly edited, as it references an article almost based entirely on opinion. The cited article claims that an "Afghan Spider" is not only incontrovertibly poisonous, but that it used the said poison to kill the family's dog. It is later stated in the article that the dog's death is just assumed to be attributed to a spider only a 4 year old has seen... Could a 4 year old really identify an Afghanistan Camel Spider? I'm not for removing the article's reference, but rather clearly stating how it is an example of the urban legend and exaggerated image of danger a Solfugid can present.
Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prosthetix ( talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The inclusion of a list of "Common Names" or alternatively redirects for such names should be considered to assist in the finding of this article. Solifugae appear widely in many countries and can therefore be known by several common or regional names, not to mention linguistic variations.
For Example:
"Rooi Roman" (Afrikaans) or "Red Roman" (English) commonly used in Southern Africa -
Rooi Roman — Preceding
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provided the following:
Solifudid species are not known to be venomous, although a couple of studies confirm that during a bite of certain species, a liquid is inserted in the prey from their chelicera, which may or may not be the venom (most likely, it simply consists of digestive enzymes, however, unlike other arachnids - for example, centipedes - solifugids insert the enzymes with the first bite). It is however confirmed that solifugids descend from a highly venomous species of arthropods and share common ancestry with the centipede, which possesses deadly venom delivered by its bites.
The biting force of a solifugid is, however, the strongest amongst all arachnids, and the second strongest (to that of the Kamchatka crab) of all arthropods. It is known that if lifted while biting something, the solifugid can hold up to three times its body weight with its chelicera closed shut. While ants can drag objects ten times their weight, they are unable to lift them.
I dislike reverting contentious points and I cannot specifically deny every point made in the foregoing paragraphs quoted, (how to prove a negative?) but when left in doubt, that is what citations are for. I don't mind doing a bit of editing for slips and finger trouble (eg Solifudid) but after going through the foregoing quotes,I reckoned it wasn't worth it. Kodenamezeus, if you have support material in any form we can reasonably verify, please cite it and we can have another round at tidying it up and fitting it into context. JonRichfield ( talk) 06:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a book on pseudoscorpion biology listed as a external link for solfuges? (Weygoldt, Peter (1969). The Biology of Pseudoscorpions. Harvard University Press. ISBN 9780674074255.) Makes about as much sense as including a book on hamsters in the article on dolphins. rkent, 184.76.106.37 ( talk) 02:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This article gets about 1200 hits a day, which is about 4x more than Pindar and 10x more than Archilochus. How is a desert-dwelling spider more relevant to humanity than are the two greatest lyric poets of ancient Greece? McCnut ( talk) 23:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm. You grieve for a dead arachnid but you laugh at the deceased bards? Don't pick on a poet, even a dead one, or he'll rise up and bite you. My sympathy however for your neighbour. Nothing so messy as a semi-accidental killing. Do it with intent or don't do it at all, I say! It's kinder that way. Now, where is that arachnid I saw a few hours ago? Ah there he is. Must go.:} McCnut ( talk) 03:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, Creature of a day, you got that right. ἐπάμεροι It's the Aeolic form of 'ephemeral'. Your verse-skills are just about OK for an arachnophile but I can do better.:
Now that is poetry. McCnut ( talk) 03:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Ouch! The puir wee sleekit, cowering, timourous (slightly rapacious) beastie! I hope he stuck to your sole and took hours to clean off. Oh well, poetry seems to revel in the pointless poignancy of tragedy and disaster, so your specimen seems true to type. My wife and I enjoyed it, so thanks. Go well, JonRichfield ( talk) 07:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
No more than I did; it's been fun. Pity I don't know of any extant anthologiser of comic and curious verse, like J.M. Cohen in the 1950-1960s. JonRichfield ( talk) 14:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
...from a CNN article ( referenced here): The desert-dwelling camel spider, actually an insect rather than an arachnid... Per WP:BOLD I decided to make it clear in the lead that they are not insects -- believe it or not some otherwise reputable reporters actually use WP for background "research".
~Eric F 184.76.225.106 ( talk) 01:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted a claim that a British soldier's infection was the result of a Solifugid bite; the symptoms don't match anything a Solifugid bite might resemble. The effects might well be some kinds of snakebite or some kinds of spider-bite, such as some of the Sicariidae, but the only evidence adduced was the opinion of the soldier who not only was no naturalist, but said himself that he never saw what bit him. As for the remark that they might carry horrible diseases because of their carrion eating, that is as relevant to Solifugae as the fact that "His (Carnarvon's) death is most probably explained by blood poisoning (progressing to pneumonia) after accidentally shaving a mosquito bite infected with erysipelas" is to mosquito bites or razors. The entry had no value to the article and I deleted it. This is just in case anyone was in doubt about why. JonRichfield ( talk) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
You're not a credible source either. Just like the folks talking about sun scorpions in their house, expecting all species on Earth to match that are not credible sources. Where is this refusal to ccept the possibility of their being big, and maybe even dangerous camel spiders coming from? I can't help but assume it's to do with prejudice against Middle Easterners. Some kind of weird pride thing? They can't have giant arachnids in the Middle East because people akin to just-now-made-up Joe in Wyoming don't like people there? I have to assume this is it, because NONE of you are using citations, and proofs to support your decisions to write off camel spiders as explicitly an urban legend, and push anecdotal stuff about North American sun scorpions that are likely far-from close cousins to camel spiders in the Middle East. How TF this page isn't locked down over the lot of you, with the lot of you reprimanded/punished in some way is beyond me, as things like having good citations as proof are usually top priority on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.247.182 ( talk) 15:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm NOT suggesting it should be taken out because apparently it is true but do we really need a specialized word for part or segment called "tagmata" /info/en/?search=Tagma_(biology)
Does Entomology want an entirely separate vocabulary like another language? Perhaps we could call it Entish? Q: Perhaps it's an attempt to use all Latin instead of Latin and English? A: It's Greek so apparently not. I actually may like it because Greek root words give glimpses into the ancient Greek mind. It just reminds me of the Catholic Church somehow. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdwomack ( talk • contribs) 08:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
:Zees ees a choke ja? Firstly, tagma is NOT a "part or segment", so go back and do your homework properly this time. It is NOT specifically an entomological term; it is not even strictly limited to the invertebrata; it would be perfectly valid to refer to the mammalian head, neck, trunk and tail as tagmata. (Whether to regard the abdomen as a tagma distinct from the thorax I leave to the morphologists to decide; I prefer to do so, but I'll spare your sensibilities.) In short it would apply functionally to any metameric organisms with subsets of segments combined into functional units. Secondly, the measure of the right of a term to acceptance is its semantic usefulness in a non-trivial field (such as in zoology). If you do not think some technically redundant terms should be retained, so that the Hinglish of the illiterate can stave off the growth of Entish erudition, try replacing say, "antenna" with "non-stabbing hornlike cephalic appendage for tactile and chemosensory and auditory functions" or "abdomen" with "place for tummy and naughty bits" and "insects" with "different creep-crawlies with six legs, not worms" and "entomology" with "messing about with different creep-crawlies with six legs, not worms". DO let us know how you get on! JonRichfield ( talk) 13:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
As a reader who'd never heard of these creatures before, I managed to get to the end of the article only to be surprised that their physical appearance was called "bizarre".
To my mind, the pictures currently on the page don't give a very clear idea to me as a newcomer to the subject, as there are no clear full-body photos. To me, a picture more like this would have been helpful: http://biologypop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/kapak.jpg
Or perhaps this? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p0pMzlb3rco/TzkIr4ETuoI/AAAAAAAAHuk/Q9f9AYDY1FY/s1600/Camel-Spider3.jpg
Unfortunately, I don't know where to find some good public domain pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.225.134.1 ( talk) 09:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
What does it have to do with the sun for that name? And the Sardinian pika is also known locally as Solifughi, which also means fleeing from the sun. For it, it is chosen because they flee at the slightest signs of danger, but what about the spiders? Scottishwildcat12 ( talk) 04:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Could someone go over the article and translate it into ENGLISH? Children all over the world USE this website to GAIN information... EXAMPLE: Pedipalps terminate in eversible adhesive organs. What in the world is a kid going to do with that sentence? It seems like the author is deliberately showing off just how informed they are, and deliberately making the explanation out of any child's reach ! Robindustygraves ( talk) 21:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The introduction stated that Solifugae are more closely related to scorpions than spiders. The relationships of arachnid orders are confused and contentious with no clear consensus, and it's not at all clear that this is true. Better to leave it with the uncontroversial fact that they're neither scorpions nor spiders. Kaficek ( talk) 19:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Here is an image that I had nothing to do with, only it looks very similar to a solifugid that I captured today:
(I also found a pregnant one.)
What type of solifugid is it? It looks like Daesiidae, but those are not common in the U.S. (where I found mine). -- User123o987name ( talk) 08:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)