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The sexual orientation issue is, unfortunately, due to publicity and rumor, something that I think should be addressed in this article, and I think that short paragraph does so in an NPOV manner. Anyway the cutting of it smacks of saying "this is something we should be ashamed of." (And it was throwing off the HTML formatting. <g>) - Hephaestos 00:57, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I thought I dealt with it simply and honestly. Any Vegas cab driver or casino dealer will tell you that they were once lovers, and they no longer are. Anything further is nobody's business, and gayness is sufficiently old-hat, especially in Vegas, that I thought a brief mention would suffice. Mbstone 04:01, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
With the way it's written now, I withdraw my objections. Paullusmagnus 01:29, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
It's sourced in the german wikipedia article: Wow! Siegfried und Roy sind schwul! queer.de, 17. August 2007 and Axel Schock, Karen-Susan Fessel: OUT! Querverlag, Berlin 2004, ISBN 3-89656-111-1
As it is now, the indexing is not working correctly. Both Siegried and Roy each have their own categories, and their individual names do not appear in the categories, rather simply Siegried & Roy under "H" or "F". What is the way to fix this problem? GilliamJF 07:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I edited the year they met to 1959, as that's what their offical website states. Also, I really think this article needs some more serious editing. I think the Steve Wynn information is false.
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The Montecore article has no information that is not in this article, and no other tigers of theirs have or require articles of their own. Montecore has significance only within the context of the injury, and so because Wikipedia is not a dictionary, the name should redirect here. -- Darksasami 15:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Montecore probably shouldn't have an article because the entire incident is covered in the Sigfried and Roy page. Wise King Otto 19:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Montecore article should redirect here. Tom NM 19:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Who shared living quarters--S and R, or S&R and Spielberg? If they do not live with Spielberg then that sentence should be separated from the other 65.166.248.38 17:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is the reference to living quarters here? It does not relate to the previous sentence regarding highly paid performers. Wouldn't it make more sense to place it in the third graph, which describes their relationship? For that matter, the Spielberg sentence should go in the fourth graph, which talks about their success. Tom NM 19:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys debating individual sentences on the talk page instead of just editing the article? :) Bossk-Office ( talk) 02:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
"Sigfried and Roy" should redirect here. Fix please...
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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
There is possibly an error in the following section:
"Horn was listed in critical condition for several weeks thereafter, and was said to have suffered a stroke and partial paralysis. Doctors removed one-quarter of his leg to relieve the pressure of his swelling brain during an operation known as a decompressive craniectomy. The portion of leg was placed in a pouch in Horn's stomagh in the hope of replacing it later"
Decompressive craniectomy is a procedure where a section of the SKULL is removed temporarily to relieve intercranial pressure from a swelling brain, NOT a section of a person's leg. That makes no sense - and the suggestion that a portion of a leg could or would be placed in a 'pouch in the stomach' is just ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.127.201 ( talk) 14:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Placing the bone flap in the abdomen (not actually in the stomach, where the bone flap and the stomach, with its acids, would not do each other any good!) is a real thing. When the brain is still swollen to the extent that the bone flap cannot immediately be replaced, it can be preserved that way until it can be replaced. 2600:6C50:800:2787:49FB:2171:CD26:89D4 ( talk) 19:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Unless I missed it, there is no mention in this article of their one-time romantic relationship, which seems very odd. Exploding Boy 21:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Simply because they are not so. wikiedia is not a sensational tabloid source. If they are so then how us some facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.175.109 ( talk) 17:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
They certainly did have a romantic relationship. There is still only a mention that they ”shared living quarters”, even though they even officially came out last year. My guess is: since these are the most obvious gays in the whole world, yet were long in the closet, many fans who denied it for like half a century (!) are now so embarassed they didn’t see it that they keep editing it out of the article ... Bossk-Office ( talk) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Admittedly it might not have happened if I had started reading the article at the start instead of in the middle, but I found this article hard to read because I didn't know who "Fischbacher" was. I had to go all the way to the start to find out, and on the way I passed references to "Siegfried".
I would suggest that the article make a choice, and either call them "Siegfried" and "Roy" consistently, or "Fishbacher" and "Horn" consistently. The latter choice is the one that better fits with WP bios in general, but it's awkward in this article because of the fact that the act has to be called "Siegfried & Roy". So I won't express an opinion on which is the better choice, but I do really strongly suggest that a consistent choice be made. -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
They're known as Siegfried and Roy, so that's what should be used throughout the article. It is inded confusing.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 00:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is almost a poster child for why Wikipedia's image policies are damaging to Wikipedia. That said it is rather fitting that the only live creature illustrated by photograph in this article is a cat. 68.146.41.232 ( talk) 22:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
This whole article reads to me like a big POV problem--IMHO someone really really favorable to S&R (to put it kindly) clearly got their hands on it. Especially, I'd sure like to see some dissenting opinion about whether or not the cat incident was a real attack (I have read that many experts believe it was just that). I don't know about NPOV tags and what it takes to slap one on an article (and what that entails), so I'm just saying this here. Songflower ( talk) 22:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
was removed from the article by an anonymous editor back in April. Someone added the phrase "and they were gay together" in June, but I'm not surprised that was removed, given the phrasing."For many years, they shared a home and had a homosexual relationship in the past, which they revealed publicly in 2007"
The article currently says:
It may seem normal that when someone is injured by a tiger, the automatic assumption is they were intentionally attacked. But skimming that section I don't see any suggestion anyone believes he was intentionally attacked. If it's not widely believed, as covered in reliable sources, that he was not intentionally attacked then would some alternative phrasing be better? Nil Einne ( talk) 14:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The current version of the article says:
"The tiger became enraged upon receiving a signal Kathy Yang instilled in the beast. It turns out she infiltrated the tiger's headquarters at night. She would spend a couple hours each night training the tiger to kill upon receiving a hand gesture from her (raising her middle finger at the beast). For Roy's performance, Kathy got a front row seat in the stands. She strategically positioned herself so she would be in the tiger's direct line of site during the intimate hug portion of the show. It was during this trick that Kathy flipped off the tiger and the beast was immediately consumed with rage and hatred. With the taste for blood in it's mouth, the tiger pounced on Roy and began his onslaught of shredding and tearing at Roy's flesh."
Sounds more like the phantasies of a screenwriter than what really transpired...
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they are Germans. Not German Americans. German Americans are people who are born in America of German descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.76.44.75 ( talk) 22:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The article says they were "raised in Germany during World War II under the Nazi regime." Yet the Nazi's were vanquished and the war was pretty much over before Roy's first birthday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.83.138 ( talk) 18:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Although the article does suggest that Horn had a stroke, it does not seem to emphasize that his injuries from the tiger's bite were relatively minor, and he recovered from them quickly. His major injuries were caused by the stroke. Evidence indicates that the tiger was trying to protect him while he was lying on the ground as a result of his stroke. Vegasprof ( talk) 12:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
How come the both of them don't have their own personal pages on Wiki? One page for each of them and then one page about the show or the act. I mean I certainly don't feel like writing it, but it seems like they should have more then just this. Zdawg1029 ( talk) 03:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Something should be added about their charity work with tigers, which is what they do mostly now.
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What is is the correct name of the tiger? Media uses both. Who is the authority?
It looks like a silly nitpicking, but there are technical issues of consistency with redirects, disambigs, dabnotes, etc. For example, this article uses MOntecore, while Manticore (disambiguation) says it is MAntecore, etc. Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
If you read citation 17, the interview with the animal handler who was onstage, mentions it's actually spelled "Mantacore" but 'often misspelled as "Montecore"' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.129.224.2 ( talk) 16:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Tiger involved in mauling, name is spelled Mantecore with an A. Confirmed on Siegfried & Roy official facebook page. Rushofsun ( talk) 01:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Were these who who were born during Hitler's reign born to supporters of the Nazi leaders? Could they even be the Aryan babies Hitler and the Nazis were encouraging at that time? Any background information on their families and their involvement with the political and war happenings at the time of their birth? 113.53.155.112 ( talk) 11:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Here is a decent source that covers this reasonably well. The truth about Siegfried & Roy: the duo have never denied their past romantic relationship. So why is the media ignoring it? Advocate, The, Nov 11, 2003 by Steve Friess.
I'm working on a number of other projects but am happy to assist writing and adding something if no one else is up to it. Banjeboi 14:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering if we can somehow make the infobox for Siegfried & Roy less confusing, and more user friendly, because at first glance it looks like both Siegfried & Roy died and not just Roy. I suggest we change the Infobox to something similar to how the Wright brothers Infobox is, were it is together but separate from each other. BigRed606 04:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Rockchalk717, the claim you made here is incorrect: Template:Infobox_person/doc explicitly states that cause of death "should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability", not just if sourced. Nikkimaria ( talk) 12:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree that the cause of death is no topic here for lead and infobox, compare the discussion for Dmitri Smirnov. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
In the 'Other names' section of the infobox it gives the name "SARMOTI" , but this doesn't appear anywhere in the main article. I can work out what it stands for (though that's probably WP:OR !), but does the use of the abbreviation serve any useful purpose? JezGrove ( talk) 20:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Is there any indication that Joe Exotic modeled his persona and his career on these two Tiger Kings? This book contains many parallels between these men, but that could be simply a coincidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.252.99.62 ( talk) 14:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I though it was Roy who was attacked by the tiger in 2003; the article says it was someone named "Horn". Who the hell is Horn? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 ( talk) 20:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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The magician, who became known together with Roy and his white lions, closed his eyes forever on Wednesday evening at 11.30 p.m. German time. MikaelaArsenault ( talk) 12:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
How about these sources?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/duo-siegfried-und-roy-magier-siegfried-fischbacher-ist-tot-17145802.html https://www.innsalzach24.de/bayern/landkreis-rosenheim/magier-siegfried-fischbacher-aus-rosenheim-nach-krebserkrankung-gestorben-90168410.html https://www.nettavisen.no/artikkel/3424074400 https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/54526778/siegfried-81-van-roy-overleden MikaelaArsenault ( talk) 13:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
In the section "Aftermath and retirement": "On March 19, 2014, Montecore died after a brief illness. He was 17 years old.[24]"
The 2nd sentence should be: "He was 71 years old." WDeeraa ( talk) 14:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
The lede sentence is supposed to treat citizenship/nationality and not ethnicity. They are/were clearly American citizens. Where is the evidence of their German citizenship? I say they don't have it. Please modify the lede sentence to read "American" only. Elizium23 ( talk) 20:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=TL6geQr1lLo&feature=share YouTube video upload by the rightfull owner of the shot footage Bassie en Adriaan Channel.
In 1993 dutch tv crew Bas en Aad van Toor came to Las Vegas to shoot a scene with Sigfried and Roy for their movie: Bassie & Adriaan de reis vol verassingen. English translation: Bassie and Adrian and the journey of surprises.
Siegfried and roy played a small role in that movie, so it should be listed in the Filmography.
Edit: reliable source: https://www.adriaan-homepage.nl/nieuwtjes/
Please scroll down to 14-01-2021 for the statement and some (behind the scenes) pictures of Siegfried and roy and the Dutch film crew.
Vandaag bereikte ons het trieste nieuws dat Siegfried Frischbacher, beter bekent als Siegfried van het wereldberoemde illusionisten duo Siegfried en Roy, op 81 jarige leeftijd is overleden.
Today we heard the sad news that Siegfried Frischenbacher, better known as Siegfried from the world famous illusionist duo Siegfried and Roy, has Passed at the age of 81.
In de jaren ’70 hebben we verschillende maanden met Siegfried en Roy gewerkt en hebben aan die tijd vele warme herinneringen.
In the seventies we worked several months with Siegfried and roy and we have lots of warm memories of that time
Het waren niet alleen bijzonder goede artiesten maar ook zeer sympathieke collega's. In Las Vegas, de stad waarin ze vier keer de onderscheiding voor beste variéténummer van de wereld ontvingen, hebben we ze nog een paar maal ontmoet.
They weren't only especially good artists but also very sympathetic colleagues. In Las Vegas, the city where they got awarded 4 times best variety show worldwide, we have met them a few times.
En ze werkten ook mee in onze TV serie “Bassie en Adriaan en de reis door Amerika”. Siegfried en Roy zijn nu beiden overleden, maar hun geweldige show en hun naam zal nog lang herinnerd worden.
And they played a role in our tv series "bassie en Adriaan en de reis door America (originally Bassie en Adriaan en de reis vol verassingen) siegfried and Roy now both passed, but their great show and their name will long be remembered.
2A02:A45F:AF7C:1:FC46:BEB1:6EA6:73F1 ( talk) 23:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)