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Some martial arts (such as Kempo)teach these predefined sequence of moves. For example, when an assalent punches with his right hand, the martial artist has to block with their left hand, step back, with there left arm grab their right hand, stepforward, punch them in the gut, elbow them in the face....etc and the sequence of moves continues based on the assumption that the assalent doesn't fight back. I believe the general name for this is called "self defense", or something simmilar. For this "self defense" I believe an appropriate definition would be: "a predefined order of moves a person is taught to use when attacked in a very particular way". In the United Studio's of Self Defense ( http://www.ussd.com/a/) they teach what they call DM-x (where x is a number such as DM-6) and these are particular "self defenses". Please note that this type of self defense I'm talking about does not work in a real sittuation, and only works in martial art classes where the assalents are instructed not to fight back. For the record I'd just like to say that United Studio's of Self Defense is a load of crap and that it's not designed for real life situation.-- artist 09:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Should this page not be called Self-defense (with hyphen)? I cannot move it myself because the other page is a redirect. -- nirvana2013 09:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
This entire article is not an encyclopedic entry about the term self-defense, but rather an incoherent musing on the nature of what constitutes self-defense. If wiki is supposed to be like an encyclopedia rather than a blog or editorial the wording of this article needs to be substantially changed.
The art of self defense is to where a person is able to fend off an opposing threat to themself or other people.
This sentence deleted and pasted here for possible revision.-- TJ 10:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC) the person is allowed to do what ever he needs to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.163.209.189 ( talk) 18:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I attempted to edit the National Self Defense section by adding that a pre-emptive strike is also a form of self defense. After an hour of discussing it with "Nlu" (who deleted my addition) he told me to take my position here. If it is agreed here, then it will go back into the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MasterOfOrion37 ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
It contains far too many opinions and non-sourced facts. While I don't mean to be rude I move that this article be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia's article standards.
I don't think "personal alarms" should be included on this page. Self defense by its implication would encompass active measures, not passive. Otherwise we should include sections on "looking both ways before street crossing" or "moving to better neighborhoods" as examples of passive self defense. Merriam-Webster [1] defines self defense thusly: "1 : a plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide 2 : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative"
So "passive self defense" as embodied by including "personal alarms" would seem to be oxymoronic. Such items are mainly signaling devices, not weapons.
Also, "Pepper spray and personal tasers are other personal alarm options that can be used in self-defense in a less passive way, but they are meant as deterrant and emergency measures rather than assault items." (links omited) is self contradictory. A taser or can of pepper spray is not an alarm device & in fact are intended for assault &/or battery (in the pragmatic sense of the terms, not necessarily the legal ones). Mention of pepper spray & tasers should be included under the armed self defense heading, minus the description as "personal alarm options". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketgtr71 ( talk • contribs) 05:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- I rewrote the definition of "self-defense".
- Changed "Forms of Self-Defense" to "Physical Self-Defense" seeing as self-defense isn't always physical, though the article only lists physical forms.
- Added "Other Forms of Self-Defense" for the sake of organization.
MastaFighta ( talk) 20:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with MastaFighta that there is physical and non-physical methods. I have just added Awareness, Flight, and De-escalation to the "other forms of self-defense" section. Wsd4life ( talk) 19:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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Many styles of martial arts, usually Asian styles, such as Jujutsu, Karate, Taekwondo, Wushu and Ninjitsu are practiced for self-defense. Some styles train almost exclusively for self-defense ( Wing Chun, Krav Maga), putting emphasis on the bodies' weakest pressure-points [1]. Others still, are practiced for other reasons and not intended for self-defense at all (eg Tai-Chi, Tae Bo). However, some martial arts that are practiced primarily for sport, such as boxing or judo can be effectively applied for self-defense.
A rewrite can be done and info should be re-inserted; pressure point technique is of vital importance for non-lethal takedowns of attackers and is thus vital in self-defence (not everyone wishes to kill his attacker even in a self-defence situation) Other useful styles are: World War II combatives, Judo and Jiu-Jitsu, many Kung Fu styles, Jeet Kune Do, the Filipino and Indonesian martial arts (Kali, Silat, and the like). Also, some forms of Japanese and Korean striking arts (not Karate and Tae Kwon Do). -->info from the martialist booklet (see http://www.philelmore.com/download-beamartialist/Be_A_Martialist.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.161.76 ( talk) 12:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Also include info on atemi-waza, see http://www.scribd.com/doc/97777/Self-Defence-Pressure-Points, which is also focused on pressure point attacks. Finally, mention the staff and another non-lethal weapon (2 small sticks) which is used in the phillipines (saw on national geographic doc; see above). These are also useful with pressure point attacks I believe, like the tonfa—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.196.110 ( talk • contribs)
wikipedia can not be trusted because people can do what i just did. i edited this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.163.209.189 ( talk) 18:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps a small paragraph can be written on pressure point attacks (eg with yawara) and other similar attacks such as the Peroneal_strike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.161.76 ( talk) 12:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see a legal bit about what is lawful and unlawful self defense. A single act can be interpreted differently. One example my teacher uses is someone attacks you, you knock them out but are afraid they will give chase. Should you kick them in the side while they're down to further incapacitate them or just run away? If it was a healthy young woman, the prosecution may not be so forgiving but if it was an 80 year old, frail lady, I think the juror would be a little more sympathetic. That kind of thing. My teacher also says that you cannot (legally) inflict bodily harm to protect property and I noticed the article mentions defending property. (This changes if, for example, someone is trying to steal your car and your baby is in the backseat, in other words: human life is at stake.) That line about property could get someone in trouble if they read this article and think it's okay to beat up someone stealing the radio out of their car. I suggest it be removed or changed. Quietmartialartist ( talk) 16:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
While it may be difficult for an encyclopedic review of all the different laws, especially as they are subject to change, the article as-is misleadingly suggests that self defense IS a legal defense in general; this is not the case even in all western countries with a common legal heritage. To understand the difficulty, this article http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome might be helpful. It discusses evolution of the laws pertaining to gun control and self defense in general in Britain. At the very least, the article should acknowledge the very diverse reaction to the concept and practice of self-defense around the world, or state explicitly the article's contextual focus is just the USA. UC232 ( talk) 20:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
The article starts out
"Self-defense (or self-defence; see spelling differences) is a countermeasure that involves defending oneself, one's property or the well-being of another from physical harm."
and cites dictionary.com for reference. However, dictionary.com does not mention the defense of others. Either we need another source, or the defense of others should be removed from the article.
WTF is this sentence for?
"Keep in mind, if you are knowledgeable enough, you should have the common sense to keep something simple on you, like a key, or anything else that you can legally stuff in your pocket and hold onto just in case." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.110.174.128 ( talk) 12:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me what happened to the original Wiki article/page for RBSD? It seems someone has deleted the whole page and just dumped a footnote in this page instead (probably a MMA or Bullshido fanatic if previous experience is anything to go by). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.72.19 ( talk) 16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey all...
Just wanted to put in my two cents on something in the ==Armed== section:
"Everyday objects, such as baseball bats or aerosol spray cans, can also be used as improvised weapons for self-defense, but are not likely to be as effective as purpose built weapons. Some non-lethal weapons as the Kubotan have also been built to resemble everyday objects, such as keychains.[3]"
"[...] but are not likely to be as effective as purpose built weapons." This is POV. A pencil in the eye will do more damage than a baseball bat that misses.
"Some non-lethal weapons [...]" There's no such thing. The proper term is "less-lethal," since weapons that have been designed to subdue have killed (as have unarmed applications).
Much of this article seems to be unnecessary, relates POV, and seems to advertise certain methods of self-defence (for instance, the efficacy of any martial art for the purpose of self-defence is speculation).
There ya go, my two cents. Worth every penny. BestDef ( talk) 07:45, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I think it's confusing that two different spellings defense (AE) and defence (BE) are used in this article. I'd recommend to use only one - and mention the other possible spelling at the beginning of the article.
Edit: Was my suggestion, created an account now to follow this. Likfornu ( talk) 14:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Some edits I recently made to the John Havan article ( [2]) caused me to look at this one, and to wonder whether it ought to have a section about self defense vs. combat sport/ martial arts. Havan describes those as "play fighting ... a contract between two opponents who were bound by stringent rules and regulations not to cripple or kill each other", saying, "Essentially, [they are contests] between two evenly matched people using the same techniques, and the fittest and fastest would win." He contrasts this with "real fighting", which he describes as a contest for domination, saying "The winner could take what he wanted from the looser, including his life, and this would be done through crippling or killing." [1]
Any thoughts?
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It seems like an uncommon method of self-defense, where most would probably use a gun instead. Goose121 ( talk) 17:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
What is sport? 196.189.147.249 ( talk) 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)