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I found a copy of the text of this wikipedia page from 2008. This text (which I did not write) is much more reflective of the actual event. I would like to see it worked back into the entry. Source of this is from my site, which has documented and organized Santacon since 2008: http://www.heathervescent.com/santacon/2008/11/what-is-santacon.html
SantaCon, short for "Santa Convention," is a mass gathering of people dressed in their various interpretations of Santa Claus costumes (most, however, are traditional), and performing publicly on streets and in bars in cities around the world. The focus is on spontaneity, creativity, and the improvisational nature of human interaction while having a good time and spreading cheer and goodwill to all they come across. Sometimes known in the U.S. as Naughty Santas, Cheapsuit Santas, Santarchy, Santa Rampage, the Red Menace and Santapalooza, SantaCon events are noted for cheerfully bawdy and harmless behavior, including the singing of naughty Christmas carols, and the giving of small gifts and free hugs to random strangers. In Japan there is more of the "doing good" principle and they have contributed to the community through such activities as Santa litter-picking outings. Some participants see SantaCon as a postmodern revival of Saturnalia, while others see the event as a precursor of the flash mob. For others it is about spreading the real spirit of Christmas in the form of love, generosity, fun and celebration with ones fellows, as opposed to the stressful consumerist competition it has become.
In 1994, the Cacophony Society staged the first American SantaCon in San Francisco. Influenced by the surrealist movement, Discordianism, and other subversive art currents, the Cacophonists decided to celebrate the Yule season in a distinctly anti-commercial manner, by mixing guerrilla street theatre, pranksterism, and public intoxication. SantaCon has since evolved, spawning many different versions and interpretations of the event throughout the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsnt777 ( talk • contribs) 05:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
NEILN clearly hates Santacon, the free expression of ideas and dissent. That's why he, Jorm and corrtheapple have heavily censored and vandalized thousands of pages and heavily edit warred and violated Wikipedia terms of service for years by removing all neutrality and impartiality from articles that don't fit their narrow controlling worldview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.230.176 ( talk) 19:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC) That description was not written by me. It was copied from wikipedia in 2008, for my website and cited back to the wikipedia page. Since then, the wikipedia description has changed. Your revision history will show this. If you read the link I provided, you would have seen/understood this. Check the version of this page for Nov 25, 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsnt777 ( talk • contribs) 06:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
A December 2014 cover story in the Village Voice recounted how SantaCon had evolved from "joyful performance art" that originated in San Francisco to a "reviled bar crawl" of drunken brawling, vandalism, and disorder in New York City and elsewhere, resulting in fierce community resistance.Would you have the article omit the bad aspects because you don't like the current reputation of the event in New York? clpo13( talk) 06:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
The 2008 santacon page, as NeilN posted, has several relevant sections that are missing from the current one. Significantly, Santarchy around the world, which speaks to the global activity of this event, which has grown since 2008. This has been stripped away, despite the documentation of many events in the form of pictures and peer-to-peer organizers. Due to the nature of the event, many media outlets cover the event from a sensational perspective focusing on negative aspects. The way the current article is written is biased to the recent New York event experience. The NY event was not always the way it was described in 2013. The current article focuses on the current NY view, not a longer view, that spans back to the beginning, or is reflective of the many different expressions of the event.
I absolutely disagree with calling the event generally a pub crawl. That is not to say, some Santacon events may have pubcrawl like activities, but this is up to the individual location organizer. I object to applying the NY coverage and experience to ALL Santacon events - which does not match the experience of these different events. The description and criticism of the event from the NY perspective with the NY citations, should go in it's own section about the NY event. Or start a fresh wikipedia page about the NY event and it's experience. The NY event, however, is significantly different from other Santacon events. I know from directly experience, being part of/organizing/attending events in Portland, SF, Las Vegas and LA for 10+ years. I have also attended NY, and the vibe there is very different - and this is a reflection of the aspects of NY, the personality of people who go to NY and the landscape of NY. For example, NY has a lot of public transportation, something that Los Angeles do not have. The event in these two cities is very different and part of that has to do with the infrastructure of the city.
I ask to remove the categorization of the overall event as a pubcrawl - it can be used to describe the NY event. I ask to bring back the section "Santarchy Around the World" I ask to move documented criticism about NY to a section about the NY event. It is relevant, but in greater context. I ask to have images from non-NY based Santacons returned to the event page. I ask for the "In popular culture" section to be returned.
Due to the nature of this event being a cacophony society event, mainstream press is not encourage, thus mainstream coverage is not necessarily the most authentic or correct information. I understand the need to balance personal opinions. However, this article is written from an opinionated perspective and citing sensationalist media to "prove" that view. In the case of this particular event the sources are biased. I must think there are other wikipedia topics where mainstream media is extremely biased and covers a limited perspective.
I appreciate wikipedia's dedication to as unbiased articles as possible, and that is why in this case, I challenge the current version of the post. Thank you. Vsnt777 ( talk) 18:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)vsnt777
A final comment. In a previous (denied) request on this page by NeilN, was to include news coverage about arrests in San Francisco. The request was denied stating wikipedia is not news. I then question why so much of the NY event news coverage is included and the more general information about the event around the world was removed. Vsnt777 ( talk) 18:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)vsnt777
So in this case you're fine with biased news reporting about a instance of the event in a specific city (NY), despite it being an outlier to the general experience. Yay for negative biases, and hiding behind wikipedia's "reliable sources" requirement! This experience has caused me to question to validity of all wikipedia entries now. So much for being unbiased. 66.27.154.244 ( talk) 17:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)vsnt777
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