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I deleted the last sentence of the opening paragraph, "Now, the opinion which should return Karafuto (Sakhalin) and the Chishima Islands to Japan and to carry out is also the world," as it seems like a poorly translated tag to the paragraph--
TKE
Merge with Sakhalin Oblast.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
To not merge as the geographical and political entities don't have the same borders, and each topic should be covered separately.
Klbrain (
talk) 15:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that the tradition here on Wikipedia is to use the same article from both the geographical area (such as an island) and the political entity if the latter has the exact same borders as the former. See examples such as
Tasmania,
Corsica,
Sicily,
Cuba and so on. The only exception to this rule that I know of is the Taiwan, but that's apparently due to the complicated political status of the island. With Sakhalin, however, it's political status as a Russian territory is undisputed. So, what does everyone think? --
212.74.201.233 (
talk) 10:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Modern
Sakhalin Oblast seems to also contain the
Kuril Islands, which probably were not a part of historical
Sakhalin, especially the early historical era when it was referred to by the Manchus as the island at the mouth of the black river. It's doubtful whether they knew the Kuril Islands even existed. For example this map of the
Qing dynasty in 1821 shows it containing Sakhalin island, but not the Kurils:
Is there any historical evidence that the Kurils were considered the same geographical entity as Sakhalin island?
Qiushufang (
talk) 20:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)reply
strong oppose (and would rather suggest
WP:SNOW declining this proposal), not "exact same borders as the former" at all to start with.
Sakhalin Oblast ==
Sakhalin (island) +
Kuril Islands. Bests, --
Seryo93 (
talk) 21:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Extremely strong opose as above and that you would merge the Kuril Islands with the Island of Sakhalin, pretty much. Kuril Island have WAY MORE DIFFERENT HISTORY, so NO.
Mausebru (
talk) 21:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)reply
So are neither of the 3 editors above bothered by the fact that the province of Sicily includes multiple nearby islands (e.g.
Lampedouza with their total area larger than the area of the Kuril isles? As does
Cuba? There are other examples but i am not sure i should even bother, you guys dont seem to factcheck any of your own statements that you make on wikipedia. I thought this site would have better users.
212.74.201.233 (
talk) 18:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I am also not sure what the editors are supposed to infer from the map posted above? If the map includes the Sakhalin but not the Kurils that means... What, exactly? This makes 0 sense to me.
212.74.201.233 (
talk) 18:33, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Cuba refers to a country. Sakhalin refers to the island of Sakhalin and not the Kuril islands. It makes sense that they each have their own articles because they refer to different entities and have different history.
Qiushufang (
talk) 18:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Qiushufang, exactly! They are indeed different entities and have different history. Sakhalin, for example, has had a continuous uninterrupted Russian presence since mid-XIX century (even after Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5 Russia/USSR retained a foothold on the island, the only exception being a brief Japanese occupation of Northern Sakhalin during the
Russian Civil War, which was
reversed in 1925), whilst Kuriles were, at some time (1875-1945) entierly outside Russia/USSR — and, partially (southern ones), are in sovereignty dispute today. And well, the Cuban example actually works against proposed merger, when we consult RS (Britannica):
Cuba is a single article for an island and a country, whilst Sakhalin has
one article for island and
another for oblast. Bests,
Seryo93 (
talk) 20:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose, not an improvement at all.
Apcbg (
talk) 07:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose. Sakhalin Oblast is an administrative division, a human-made geographic entity with human-made boundaries. This article talks about the island of Sakhalin, a geographic entity with clear natural boundaries.
NotAldariasky (
talk) 05:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. As already mentioned,
Sakhalin Oblast refers to the federal subject of Russia specifically which also includes the
Kuril Islands, while the
Sakhalin article is about the island itself.
Mellk (
talk) 17:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Of course, no. Danloud(talk) 20:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose Sakhalin is about the geographical island itself, Sakhalin Oblast is about the geopolitical subsidiary of Russia so to summaraize... no —
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk) 08:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Size
Article claims that this is "the largest island in Russia".
Novaya Zemlya is larger, according to that article. Is there an error, or is Novaya Zemlya somehow considered not to be "in Russia"?
62.172.108.6 (
talk) 15:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Because Novaya Zemlya consists of two islands;
Severny Island and
Yuzhny Island, whereas Sakhalin is only a single island entity, that makes Sakhalin is larger than those two islands individually, but smaller if they combined.
B.C.Mayfield (
talk) 06:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Ah, whoops. 10:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to see a subcategory or discussion on the culture of Sakhalin.
It’s alarming that we have info on their economy and transportation and resources but nothing on the local daily culture and lifestyles and values of the people. This seems important for global education as the media doesn’t cover this region and yet it’s such a massive economic driver and island.
133.159.150.116 (
talk) 06:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply