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White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Hi, I don't get why these editors don't respond to your comments. I am amazed by how many editors don't feel they need to explain themselves or cite their sources. I hope that many new editors in general turn into good editors in time. Anyway, not sure if you know this? If you read the article bull riding it explains that the American tradition of bullriding is different than other countries' traditions because they all use some different rules. However, in the PBR, when events are taking place in America, Brazil, Canada, etc., they are all using American rules. I think that is the point these editors are trying to get across. I'm thinking maybe that is self=evident same as your point. But just wanted to let you know that's why one editor made the edit "American Style" for example. And I also the article content is the proper place for a discussion of the rules not the infobox. Dawnleelynn ( talk) 23:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- I knew there are variations between say, Australia and Brazil, but I think the infobox should just say "bull riding". The difference in styles can be explained in the article itself. The IP who kept writing that has been blocked before for obsessing over the word "American" in the rodeo articles, and edit-warring to add and keep it. If they keep doing it here and won't respond, I'm going to ask an admin to look at it.
White Arabian Filly
Neigh 19:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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White Arabian Filly (
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contribs) Yes, exactly the point I was also making. Any novice reading the topic will not get anything from reading "American" or "American Style" in the infobox. It needs to be explained in the article content, like you said. I was watching this issue mostly as a learning exercise. Just wanted you to know I also felt that it would not edify anyone if it was in the Infobox. Guess what topic it's also in right now? It's "American-Style Rodeo" in
Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association article. Same IP. Probably thinks they are getting one over on you so you should probably address that issue too.
Dawnleelynn (
talk) 21:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- p.s. I just noticed they also made changes to the
bullriding topic yesterday I don't understand.
Dawnleelynn (
talk) 22:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- I am reverting everywhere I find them, and I'm going to notify the admin who blocked them before. White Arabian Filly Neigh 19:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
- p.s. I just noticed they also made changes to the
bullriding topic yesterday I don't understand.
Dawnleelynn (
talk) 22:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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White Arabian Filly (
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contribs) Yes, exactly the point I was also making. Any novice reading the topic will not get anything from reading "American" or "American Style" in the infobox. It needs to be explained in the article content, like you said. I was watching this issue mostly as a learning exercise. Just wanted you to know I also felt that it would not edify anyone if it was in the Infobox. Guess what topic it's also in right now? It's "American-Style Rodeo" in
Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association article. Same IP. Probably thinks they are getting one over on you so you should probably address that issue too.
Dawnleelynn (
talk) 21:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Yes, I can see why. This is just part of being an editor, though from I have been reading, yes? We all come across this sometimes... Dawnleelynn ( talk) 22:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, this happens quite a bit--see my vandalism collection. Most of these people who go out of their way to be annoying get blocked, although they can cause quite a disturbance before they do, in some cases. I guess they get a kick out of it. (They need to get a life--although a lot of them seem to be fairly young, so maybe they haven't learned better.) White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Please don't add 100 redlinks unless you're planning on writing all these articles. White Arabian Filly Neigh 23:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sometimes all these links can be moved into a list article, such as "List of PBR champions" or something. There are a lot of lists in here now, it's about at the point where I'd consider moving them into a separate list so as not to clutter up this article. Not an immediate need, but it's what I'd recommend doing sooner or later. Examples to borrow from might be the various lists of Olympic champions and such... Montanabw (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Montanabw Yes, I agree that there needs to be a separate list now of the champions. I am actually creating one for the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association which will take some time as the lists are not already created in the article ready to be moved like in this article. I will see about creating an article for the PBR shortly as it should just mostly be a to do item of moving already created lists into a new article. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Good source materials for article expansion/improvement - 2016 guide:
2017/2018 guide
Good idea! dawnleelynn (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Uricarrillo94 ( talk · contribs) Hello there! Hope you are doing great. I just made some major edits to PBR Tour section with some new sources I have. It's all cited now. Could you check it over, see if you see anything that isn't quite right? You won't have to worry about sources. You can follow the links to see if anything you want to add or change is there. Also, what are your thoughts lately on the tour name. I assume you've seen that big controversy on the Talk:Built Ford Tough Series page? You can comment on your talk page if you want, that would be a safe place. I know you probably don't want to get involved. Thanks. Oh and I found a source that talks about Hedeman leaving CBR and about his own bull riding so I will post to you on his talk page when I get that done. It was in my Facebook stream. Plus, I will explain about the broken link later. It's not a rush. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 19:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello there. Thanks a bunch for all the information you added to the page. I can imagine you use a lot of your time researching and adding the information. I fixed a few minor errors, if you don’t mind. I also added that riders from other countries apart from the five main ones participate in the PBR. There are riders from New Zealand, Central America, Paraguay, at least one from Ireland, etc. It would be endless to name all the countries that make up PBR riders, but the five main ones are those we know about and the ones where PBR events are sanctioned. I assume part of it has to do with the fact that these countries are huge and easily viewable in a world map. I also added world championships that other riders who have won major PBR awards have won. As far as the Premier Series name goes, I think there should’t be much controversy. After 2018, it’s safe to say they’ll just call it the Unleash the Beast Series. They’ll probably call it something similar for 2023 for the PBR’s 30th anniversary season. Then call it the Unleash the Beast Series after that again. Uricarrillo94 ( talk) 11:09, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- Uricarrillo94 ( talk · contribs) Hi again. You made a good point. Yes, I don't think about the research time much anymore. But writing and editing articles does take a good amount of research most of the time. Nobody sees that amount of effort you put into an article. As professional technical writer for more 20 years, I guess I take it for granted now. Thank you for noticing. That means a lot. And, your fixes were great and needed. After looking at this page over and over, it all started to blend in. Regarding the countries, the source says that there are four other countries that have PBR tours and then lots of other countries that have riders that participate in events. The four other countries with their own tours are Australia, Mexico, Brazil, and Canada. That's why New Zealand isn't really supposed to be in the list of five countries with tours. It's in the 2017 Media Guide reference which is listed in the Bibliography section. But, I'm open to interpretation here as I'm just learning about this now. So I'm not adamant about this if you can explain it. And heads up, I will probably add more content to the article here and there.
- Now on to the other important thing. I didn't say my preference first because I didn't want to influence you. But you picked exactly what I thought would be the best thing to call the series: Unleash the Beast Series. That's so awesome! That's what I needed to know. Now I know what to do. Did you look at all the information I put together in my sandbox article in Professional Bull Riders Tours? The only thing I seem to be missing is the rule change in 2013 where the PBR changed the BFTS from money earned to points for winning the world champion. So, I'm looking for that. So now I just have to decide where to put all these tours. I have some definite ideas for some. Keeping the BFTS the same after all that battle to keep the name and putting all that information I found in there. Create a Unleash the Beast Series article. There is a Bud Light Cup Series article that is empty and redirects to the BFTS article. Well, I can take the redirect out and take the content I created from the sources I found and add it there. So existing bull and bull rider articles can now point properly to the Bud article rather than the BFTS article. It's a great time to correct this while the bull riding area is small. And so on...you can see the content I created in my sandbox article mentioned above. Any comments you have are welcome. The full block on the BFTS doesn't come off until tonight anyway. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
68.192.121.73 ( talk · contribs) You made a lot of great contributions here today. I just had to change a few things. A couple dates and locations were not sourced. If you look at the citations, you can visit the old PBR web site pbrnow.com in the archive and search for the source to support your dates. We can add them back then. So the Ford Truck Moment of Truth start date needs a source. The Mossy Oak Shoot Out start and end dates need a source. And the cities you added need a source. Also, if you check the PBR Events citation, you will see that Shoot Out is two words, not one. In fact, you will even see a logo for the Mossy Oak Shoot Out, and it's two words in the logo which is a graphic. I think that pretty much settles it. Everything else was great. I just found some typos to cleanup, but you cleanup some of mine. So it looks much better now. I did those and never came back for a second look yet. Thanks a bunch! dawnleelynn (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Nat965 ( talk · contribs)}} Hi Nat965! As per the edit summary, let me reiterate the policy of changing estatblished citation styles in articles. Per WP:CITEVAR:
- "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. The arbitration committee ruled in 2006:"
- "Wikipedia does not mandate styles in many different areas; these include (but are not limited to) American vs. British spelling, date formats, and citation style. Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike."
- "As with spelling differences, it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page. If you are the first contributor to add citations to an article, you may choose whichever style you think best for the article."
Okay, now that that has been established, please know that I am going to enhance the references by the next day or two. I will add sections to all of them and page numbers too, much the way that these articles do: Secretariat_(horse) and Chincoteague_Pony. I will also attempt to make the PDF link hot as I saw earlier in my reference work today - where it can link to a PDF page number. So I just wanted you to know that before you might try to decide to pursue the matter further. At least let me present these enhancements first. Thanks a bunch for your great work on the other enhancements as well as your concern for the citations! Oh, right and there are four of us in the wikiprojects that manage these rodeo articles. And this reference style is also used in other rodeo articles, and we'd like to keep them synchonous. dawnleelynn (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
p.s. The editor I pinged sent me thanks through the use of the thank button on the edit summaries of this talk page and the article talk page. Also, I remove my point about making citation styles match from one article to another. Upon re-reading, I see that is not supported by policy. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
I copied content from Highest Scored Rides section to Jose Vitor Leme from this version: [1]. The article is still in draft version, but will be live within a few days. dawnleelynn (talk) 23:30, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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