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Is there a need for disambiguation in case someone gets around to writing an article on Queen Victoria's father? john 23:01, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Umm, there's nothing in the article about football. On what basis was this category added? john k 15:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think an official picture of The Duke of Kent would be usefull. Why is there not official pictures of him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonde ( talk • contribs) 13:25, 4 November 2006
Proteus, as far as I know, children of a duke (not eldest son, in the absence of a subsidiary title), are styled "Lord Name" without the definite article, and that the definite article is used only when referring to substantive peers.
From [1] His younger sons and all daughters are referred to as '(The) Lord John Manners/(The) Lady Diana Manners' (see earl for discussion of the definite article before 'Lord'/'Lady').
From [2]. An earl's younger son(s) is/are addressed as for a baron's son. An earl's daughter is addressed as 'Lady Jane Binks', where 'Jane' is her forename and 'Binks' her surname, whether maiden or married. The practice has revived in recent years of adding a 'The' to 'Lady' when referring to her in the third person (also to 'Lord' where he is a duke's or marquess's younger son). It emanates from Court Circles but is deprecated by some members of the College of Arms. This is on the understandable grounds that it not only encroaches on the definite article which more properly pertains to a full peer but also implicitly places in an inferior position not just the eldest son and heir of an earl, marquess or duke since he has no 'The' to his courtesy title but a Prince or Princess who is not a child of the sovereign since they too are not accorded a 'The'.
As I see it, the definite article might be used sometimes, but omitting it would be uncontroversial and unquestionably correct anyway. JSIN 09:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)-Preceding comment, signed JSIN, was posted by Messenger88 (Talk)
I'm no expert on wikipedia but it seems to me that the Dukes role as leader of one of the UK most significant organisations (Freemasons) should be mentioned early in the Piece. He is probably best known in the UK for this role. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.84.105.230 ( talk) 20:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
(ps, I moved your comment into a new section to make things easier) PrinceOfCanada ( talk) 21:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
"The Duke of Kent holds the UK's most senior position - Grand Master - of the secret society of Freemasonary."
1. 'secret society' - Is this wikipedia's opinion or is it taken from Conspiracy Theorist's Monthly.
2. 'UK's most senior position' - senior in what form? I think the Prime Minister, the Queen, or the The Archbishop of Canterbury might disagree with you on this.
I think that statement should be parsed thus: In UK Freemasonry, the DoK holds the most senior position, that of Grand Master. As for 'secret society', Freemasonry does indeed meet the general definition of the term, though the prefer to refer to themselves as a 'society with secrets', rather than a 'secret society'.
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HRH The Duke of Kent while the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England contrary to the statements set forth of being at the head of ALL Freemasonry is simply not the case.
Like any Royal Prince the Duke takes his charitable work very seriously. However it is not his soul function in the UK. He also is not the sovierigen head of Freemasonry in other nations (The United States has at least fifty different grand lodges on for each state) wich governs the fraternity as a seperate entity.
That statement is as incorrect as it is misguided and I am removing it from the "front page news" portion of the article and placing it in a more appropriate area in the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.66.76.151 ( talk) 09:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me for being ignorant, but isn't he "Prince Edward, 2nd Duke of Kent"? I mean, he wasn't created Duke of Kent, he inherited the title. Surtsicna ( talk) 12:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted this section, as it is irrelevant to the subject. This is about someone in the British royal family, where the descent is not patrilinear; so where is the relevance of a patrilinear list of ancestors from a German royal family? (It might be relevant on the page concerning Albert, Prince Consort, but not here) And most of the royal families in Europe are related to each other somewhere along the line; what would make this one particularly significant? Swanny18 ( talk) 12:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Edward, Duke of kent should by rights be the King of the United Kingdom. His father, george, Duke of Kent was supposed to succeed following the Mrs Simpson/abdication crisis! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.158.152.213 ( talk) 10:33, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
George, Elector of Hanover was only what 57th, in the Line when he succeeded. According to the article posted by you on one of your other posts, it was stated that because the Duke of Kent was the only brother with a son, as well as his character and public figure, he would have been the best choice. The idea of primogeniture went out the window centuries ago as far the British Royal Family is concerned! 41.132.229.132 ( talk) 09:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Well known by who? And several Monarchs have been drug addicts and/or promiscuous. Likewise, you dismiss this claim because Albert was older. The point is that age has been disregarded before. In this case the older brother DID succeed, but it could just have easily not been the case. When decisions go with "law" they can be said to be because of the "law". However, in other cases, the "law" can, and has been, just as easily ignored. 41.132.229.132 ( talk) 18:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Good work on providing sources for your allegations against His Royal Highness. Times such as 1087, 1100, 1135, 1199, 1399, 1688, 1702, 1714 spring to mind immediately. if I were to think for more than a fraction of a second, I could come up with several more. 41.132.229.132 ( talk) 18:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Not King but after the death of Georg Moritz, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Altenburg he seems to be the undisputed head of the House of Gotha (not the same as the monarch of Gotha) according to strict German male-only primogeniture and equal marriage laws. Also, his brother (b. 1942) is the youngest (by age) equal-marriage male member in this house. 37.144.245.25 ( talk) 12:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, it seems I got this wrong, but I thought if a Prince takes up a Dukedom, he loses the "Prince" title? -- megA ( talk) 15:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
He seems to be related to Elisabeth II and Victoria, but the article does not clarify that. I'd like to read that. - DePiep ( talk) 17:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
'In 1970, the Duke commanded a squadron of his regiment serving in the British Sovereign Base Area in Cyprus, part of the UN force enforcing peace between the Greek and Turkish halves of the island.'
The article lists the Duke of Kent as also holding the titles Earl of St Andrews and Baron Downpatrick, and it's normal for royal dukedoms to come with such courtesy titles. However, it also says that his elder son is Earl of St Andrews and his son (the duke's grandson) is "Lord Downpatrick". There surely can't be two people who are both Earl of St Andrews, so presumably the duke no longer holds these courtesy titles as they have been handed down the generations? W4rd3n ( talk) 21:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Answer - with titles in the UK a son will use the father's secondary title as a courtesy title and if a third title then the grandson will use that again as a 'courtesy title'. The Duke is The Earl of St Andrews and The Baron Downpatrick but his heir uses the first and his grandson the second. The same thing happens with the Duke of Gloucester whose heir uses Earl of Ulster as a courtesy title. This is the normal process for all peerage titles. The user of the second title is the heir apparent to that title. T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.219.0 ( talk) 08:20, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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It says the Duke retired as Lt. Col. of the Scots Greys in 1976 and was then promoted in 1983 to Maj. Gen. Did he not hold military rank from 1976-1983? Does anyone know why he was bypassed for Col. and Brigadier? 98.10.165.90 ( talk) 22:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Not sure if it requires being mentioned in the article. But Edward (AFAIK) has held a ducal title longer (80+ years) then anyone in British history. We mention the 80-years bid, but not that it's the longest among dukes, at least royal dukes. GoodDay ( talk) 18:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I have raised a citation need against the statement he served in Northern Ireland in the early 1970s with his regiment. I question the extent of any involvement as he does not appear to have been awarded the General Service Medal for service there - was his regiment not part of Op Banner? Cloptonson ( talk) 18:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be good to include what order he was in the line of succession at birth compared to now like with a lot of the other royal articles. GoldenBootWizard276 ( talk) 23:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)