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How long does it take Pinus monophyla to reach maturity, and how long do they live? 192.220.217.1 ( talk) 22:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply

I edited this to change the sort order on the page for the Category:Pinus. It had been set to alphabetize under Pine. That might make sense for categories where there are a lot of trees and a few of them are pines; then all the pines group together. But on the page where everything is a pine, it made more sense to alphabetize under Single-leaf. 140.147.236.194 ( talk) 17:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza reply

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John Muir wrote (in 'Steep trails') that nearly every mountain flank in Nevada was covered in these pines (he called them Pinus fremontiana) and that they had been planted by 'the Indians.' I quote: "The value of this species to Nevada is not easily overestimated. It furnishes fuel, charcoal, and timber for the mines, and, together with the enduring juniper, so generally associated with it, supplies the ranches with abundance of firewood and rough fencing. Many a square mile has already been denuded in supplying these demands, but, so great is the area covered by it, no appreciable loss has as yet been sustained. It is pretty generally known that this tree yields edible nuts, but their importance and excellence as human food is infinitely greater than is supposed. In fruitful seasons like this one, the pine nut crop of Nevada is, perhaps, greater than the entire wheat crop of California, concerning which so much is said and felt throughout the food markets of the world. The Indians alone appreciate this portion of Nature's bounty and celebrate the harvest home with dancing and feasting." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:34F0:C300:21C:B3FF:FEC6:12F7 ( talk) 05:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC) reply

Editors of Wikipedia constantly assert that it should be a neutral source. This declaration,

"The habitat destruction of large areas of Pinyon woodlands in the interests of mining and cattle ranching is seen by many as an act of major ecological and cultural vandalism.[3]"

....is not neutral since there is no statement to oppose it. Obviously ranchers and miners didn't feel this way, whether they were right or wrong. Sure, it's a sourced reference but whomever sourced it has an ax to grind and it's obvious to anyone who thinks POV should be kept OUT of Wikipedia. The statement should be removed unless a counterpoint is given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.252.183.253 ( talk) 22:13, 27 May 2018 (UTC) reply