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I want to talk about Israel. You see how many innocent children are being killed there. Our first Kaaba is Al-Aqsa Mosque.People are not allowed there. Why Pakistan Army is silent, we are Muslims, our job is to help our Muslim brothers and sisters. We will fight and Israel will conquer. We can do it, God is with us.We have the power of faith. Please think about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatteatty ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
This article seems to be the target of POV edits in favor of Pakistani nationalism. Unfortunately, the links provided do not seem to discuss the topics referenced (meaning that the claims are apparently unsourced) so I reverted. siafu 21:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't originally write the sentence in question, so I'm nto exactly married to the wording. However, the sources I was able to come up with just by searching the BBC website do seem to indicate that the Pakistani military has recently been targeting civilians as part of their support for Bush's war on terror. [1], [2] The original edit, which as far as I'm able to tell was placed here, seems to be exclusively in reference to Balochistan, but much of what I'm finding is in reference to Waziristan; here's another on that subject from Amnesty International. siafu 03:53, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Which is why the "brutal" human rights violations is POV ,serious human rights violations probably have been made and duely noted but not against a whole province and/or an ethnic group.Plus the operations mentioned were small scale in Balochistan hence dont even suffice a mention here unlike Operations in Waziristan which are still ongoing but have been left out of the article.The human rights abuses here sholud be carefully reworded if the overall view of the editors is that there is lack of such evidence.-- Raju1 06:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have made several major edits to the article including removing/rewording controversial material, adding some information, grammar editting and designating special headings for article layout. Personally, I think the article is approaching good encyclopedia standards and the neturality tag is not needed as I have reworded, removed or given counter points to much of the unverifiable and unfactual information. Hopefully this dispute is resolved now. Please tell me what you guys think about these edits. Thanks.-- Anonymous editor 01:19, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
Yes thank you for your participation.I believe its much much better than before and all parties concerned have their view points in the article.So Good job.Thank you!-- PrinceA 03:48, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
User:Farhansher, please don't get me wrong, I do not intend to vilify the Pakistan army beyond reasonable doubt here, and I'd definitely like to remove POV from the article. The issue about the 1971 atrocities belong to Pakistani Civil War a.k.a. Bangladesh Liberation War. However, the sentence that "Indian agents added hatred in East Pakistani's against West Pakistani's" is again somewhat of an overstatement. I am not pushing for putting a huge detailed list of allegation/counter allegation here, as it is not the place for that sort of discussion. But please do not attribute the 1971 war on "Agents", there are more complex socio-economic history behind that. I do propose a major rewrite of the article, which currently looks quite messy. Here is my proposed structure:
How does this sound? -- Ragib 05:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
NO hard feelings man , I am searching for the sources right now . Actually I have read a lot of these things ( what I added to the article...the generals' claims )in Daily Dawn & Daily Jung & seen them on local media , but as I can see uptil now , resources are scarce on the net . So feel free to undo what U like . Farhansher 05:46, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Overall, I like your idea about the organization of the layout greatly. I think very brief info should be given on the major conflicts (like you said). Here is my proposal of the structure below. Please note the changes and tell me what you think. Thanks. -- Anonymous editor 05:56, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
(Mainly Africa peacekeeping: Rwanda Genocide, Cote d'Ivoire, Bosnia, etc.)
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I have made several edits, improved and tidied up the page added pictures from other articles related to the Pakistan Military and listed the future plans of the Pakistan military
Faraz 18:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I have a skeleton for the article at Military of Pakistan/Temp. Please check it out and start filling out the empty sections. Thanks. -- Ragib 05:42, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I just got here; isn't there now a Pak Marine Corps? — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 06:09, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC) No! there isn't any. -- SMS Talk 09:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
What is the source for Squadron Leader Muhammad Mahmood Alam's credit to 4 IAF kills in under 30 seconds? Please add it if the source is reliable as 4 air to air kills in less than 30 seconds sounds very dubious. ( Bobbo9000 ( talk) 15:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC))
I've deleted the last two words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.25.38 ( talk) 12:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I think that the name of this article should be changed to "Pakistan Armed Forces", since that is the official name of the Pakistani Military, and "Military of Pakistan" should redirect to the page.
Also, the name in Urdu script does not match the name in the Urdu name written in Roman Urdu. The roman Urdu name should be Pak Musalah Afwaj.
(discussion is from Pakistan )... the same applies here as well... I won't comment the line here, but just mention that a citation is needed.. Please note that the citation provided in Pakistan was unreliable...
"The armed forces of Pakistan are the sixth-largest in the world.[66]" ...
1) The reference leads to some blog!
2) Please read
List of countries by military expenditures ... A country which does not/cannot spend nearly as much the top 10 countries in the list can obviously not have a top 10 military!
3) Placing Pakistan at #4 will mean placing some of the following other nuclear powers below it, which is absurd to even comprehend! (USA, China, UK, France, Germany, Russia, India, Israel, <N. Korea>) Especially considering the economic status of the country!
4) Though I'm not going to base by judgement on the ratings given
[3], it is nevertheless a MUCH better citation to base an article on!
5) As long as we don't have a credible source like a CIA report or something, we need to base our conclusions on Military spending.
Now, we need not care about what a country or it's citizen thinks! I'm of the view that Pakistan deserves to be #1 considering the disproportionate passion of it's people. But unfortunately that is not the case and what is not true "cannot" show up on wikipedia as long as I'm not blocked! Based on these arguments I'm going to comment that statement because that's much better than terming the whole section/article disputed! Please escalate the matter to an admin or find a better citation and undo/uncomment the statement.
Amartya ray2001 ( talk) 00:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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Gwadar Port is not on the hormuz straights
218.188.93.140 ( talk) 08:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
By Princeton's Aqil Shah:
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Someone please fix the flags on all of the countries that are listed as foreign suppliers; an additional good addition, time-permitting, would be the inclusion of the actual rank structure of the Pakistani armed forces, to include pictures of ranks and titles. 128.97.229.200 ( talk) 01:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I was meaning to modify the caption on the map in this section as the writing is... less than perfect, but having looked at the image itself, the resolution is so low it's not entirely clear what it's trying to illustrate. Is it just there as a map of the region, and if so, why a 1997 map and why the link to deployment? Either way, is such a map necessary and if so is it worth trying to source a more clear and perhaps recent image? DoctorAdjective ( talk) 21:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
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I think the article is well written and oragnised well therefore; it deserves to be A class. Faraz 15:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I noticed this article was removed from the copy edit backlog on 2 Jan, but I see a few small issues with it so I'll do what I can over the next day or two. – Reidgreg ( talk) 15:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC) Ok, finished my copy edit of the article. Here are my notes:
At the JS HQ, it forms with... and lists various offices and directors. But it doesn't say what they are forming or how, making it uncertain how they are related.
provided 43,850 kg of food and relief goods to flood victimsin the context of a nationwide operation over five years. Is there a copying or unit error there? That's only two truckloads of weight, hardly a multi-year national mobilization.
The Islamabad-based Strategic Force Organization (SFO) has a three-tier system which forms by combing the Nuclear Command Authority, Strategic Plans Division (SPD), and each of three Inter-Services strategic force commands.I'd guess that "combing" is a typo of "combining", but not sure if it might be listing the three tiers of the "system". Also, "forms" makes the relationship confusing. And there seems to be some ambiguity between SPD and SPD Force there and in the sentence afterwards.
the strategic arsenal are kept under an inter-services own strategic commands
That's about it. If you have any questions or comments, please post them here. I'll keep the article on my watchlist for a while and will try to be available for follow-up. Thanks. - Reidgreg ( talk) 04:04, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
As of 2017, the current Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee is Zubair Mahmood Hayat. The infobox needs to be updated. I can't seem to find 'edit' option for the infobox.
- Jan 8, 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.88.232.94 ( talk) 16:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I attemted to add information about the 1971 Bangladesh genocide. When doing so I made the egregious typo of putting the death toll at "300 000 to 3 000 000 000" which was properly recognized as an obvious error. I apologize for this and have now addded the information again, with the proper death toll, and with proper sources in both academic books and news articles. If someone finds fault with this information or the sources I encourage them to modify the sentence accordingly - many more sources are listed in 1971 Bangladesh genocide. It seems clear, however, that some mention of the genocide should be made in the History section. Hotchpotcher ( talk) 12:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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Khawaja Asif Is not A defence minister Please change it , Current Defence minister is 'Khurram Dastagir Khan'. Tayyabsiddique ( talk) 14:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
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Since his election, Trump has been critical of providing more military and financial aid to Pakistan since its real motive of participating in anti terror operations in now in question since Osama bin Laden was busted and killed in a US marines covert operation unknown even to Pakistan top brass, near Pakistan Army Area in Abotabad, Pakistan, while Pakistan army had continually repeating that Osama has not been in Pakistan since long and was living in Afghanistan. This was further darkened by long history of Pakistan Army and ISI being blamed for terrorism across its neighbour India. This even resulted in protests across Pakistan including burning effigies of Donald Trump. There is no artcle for this on the page as these are recent developments. AbhinavKumar1998 ( talk) 11:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
There is a wikipedia page about the topic which is directly related to the this page, was reverted without any discussion, before revert lets discuss the issue and than make changes Selfprjectiontube ( talk) 10:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change infobox national military (SERVICE BRANCHES): delete "Paramilitary forces", "Pakistan Marines", "Pakistan Coast Guards" -- these are not the official 3 branches of the Pakistan Armed Forces. The 3 branches of the Pakistan Armed Forces are: Pakistan Army, Pakistan Air Force, Pakistan Navy. [1] Xeed.rice ( talk) 05:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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Talk) 05:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)PAKISTAN Army is professional army — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.188.223.248 ( talk) 04:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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They are part of the navy and not independence, not sure why this is in infobox. Shadow4dark ( talk) 19:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
What kind of page is this?? I mean how can it help me? I wanna get some website that will inform me about pakarmy updates Ayeshafarhan1947 ( talk) 00:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Gamg 111.119.178.168 ( talk) 05:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I can't seem to find good sources on reserves of the Pakistani military. None of the book series The Military Balance I've consulted seem to contain this info (eg 2010, 2021 etc). Additionally, they list the National Guard of Pakistan under "paramilitary". According to The Military Balance 2021, Pakistan has 291,000 paramilitary consisting of:
But nothing about Pakistan's reserves. Are these reserves part of the army? What are they called? Where are the figures in Pakistan Armed Forces#Troop strength coming from? Pinging @ Mar4d:, @ Yeahitsali:, @ Gog the Mild:, @ Zeex.rice:. VR talk 03:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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I am go to Army Because I love Pakistan 39.36.213.234 ( talk) 14:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Any one job plz 103.167.158.84 ( talk) 00:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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active military 780,000 reserve force 1,000,000 defence budget 15.0 billion Mustaqim raja ( talk) 22:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
I want to talk about Israel. You see how many innocent children are being killed there. Our first Kaaba is Al-Aqsa Mosque.People are not allowed there. Why Pakistan Army is silent, we are Muslims, our job is to help our Muslim brothers and sisters. We will fight and Israel will conquer. We can do it, God is with us.We have the power of faith. Please think about it. Jatteatty ( talk) 07:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
NSG SOLDIER OR SOLDAT HOW MANY TRY TO AD ME ONE TITLE LEGIONNAIRE IN CONTRACT OF SWAT....MANY TRYING ON PUBLICATION IN LAW OF MINE SERVIS PUBLICATION CAN REALIZE MANY GOOD THINGS LIKE IS RESPECT AND HONOUR OF FRIENDSHIP OR ENIMIES...THANK GOD 109.245.38.178 ( talk) 05:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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