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I took the following paragraph out, because its reference clearly lacks solid proof: The use of paddle wheels to power boats goes back to ancient times, with the Roman army under Claudius Codex reportedly being transported to Sicily in boats propelled by wheels moved by oxen, and wheels in paddles later being used to propel galleys.
John Macgregor, Esq., barrister at law, London, in 'Notes on the Progress of the Paddle and Screw', Scientific American Volume 14, Issue 11, Nov 20, 1858: Pancirollus, who wrote in 1587, says he saw an old bas-relief representing an Illyrian galley propelled by three wheels on each side turned by oxen. The same author, and several others, refer to Vitruvius for a notice of the paddle-wheel, but I find, in five editions of Vitruvius, the drawings represent merely a wheel turned by the water, and used as a log to measure the speed.
Again, Claudius Codex is said to have employed paddle-wheels in the invasion of Sicily in the third century before Christ, and some MSS. in the King of France's library (which I have not been able as yet to inspect), are referred to for this statement, but after diligent inquiry, I can find no confirmation of it in any accredited authority.
I listed Steamboat, Steamship, and Paddle steamer, as well as the redirect Steamer on the Wikipedia:Duplicate articles page. I think that the first 2 terms are interchangeable based on the "What links here" lists, and although paddle steamer is ok as a separate article, there's some overlap with what's in the other 2 articles. I think there shd be only steamboat or steamship but not both. But I'm not a ship-boat expert, so I'm not going to decide or attempt to merge the text appropriately. Elf | Talk 05:26, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
While I'm not uninterested in oceangoing types, shouldn't paddle steamer include river & lake types? For instance, Walk in the Water, on the Buffalo-Detroit route, first steamer on the Great Lakes. Trekphiler 12:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I disagree. While some of the steamboat and steamships were paddlwheelers. I still think that the subject is broad enough of its own right to be a seprarate subject.
iranon1661 16:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I looked up this reference because I wanteed to know how a sternwheeler is steered, but there is no information here.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.18.6.107 ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 16 May 2006.
They're steered by rudders - see information at http://users.wirefire.com/gemort/rudders%20and%20steering.htm Pinot 17.45, 6 December 2007 (NZ) —Preceding comment was added at 04:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
This entry states: "a side-wheeler has extra maneuverability since the power may be directed to one wheel at a time." I believe this is misleading as I can find no refference to any of the Steamers on the Murray Darling River System having this ability. Certainly none of ones I have photographed are capable of having the wheels driven independently. Perhaps this ability was limited to larger boats. (I am very new at this Wikipedia Stuff) RDUNC 10:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Re differential paddle rotation, I don't absolutely know for sure if all side-wheelers could do this but some certainly could. The old Woowich Free Ferry boats (in London) could do this, and it was also a feature of the Admiralty tugs. For these ships it was a normal operational procedure for manoeuvuring in tight places, similar to but more effective than the similar ability in twin-screw boats where you can reverse one propellor while going ahead on the other. I expect it was pretty much a standard capability for side-wheelers. Pinot 22:33, 19 July 2007 (NZ)
It would be good if the article could say something definitive about the advantages and disadvantages of paddle wheels versus screw propellers, and why the former have fallen out of use. I assume efficiency must be a key factor, but there may be practical reasons as well? Wwheaton ( talk) 01:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a reference to a "Arcynic Steamwheeler", but a google search comes up with references back to this page. Has anyone heard of this, or is there a link somewhere? Should this sentence be deleted? Karanne ( talk) 18:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
This might be the dominant form of paddlewheeler used in the United States (in Mark Twain's heyday), but shouldn't the general article include paddlewheel-driven ships using other forms of propulsion? Let's give this article a more general title. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 18:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
As for this action, here is the permanent link: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 72#Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 11:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The statement "Consequently no recent (since 1947) paddle wheel steamers have been laid down and there are only a few original paddle steamers remaining in existence, and those that do are mainly preserved for tourists or as museums." is incorrect, and interesting as the accompanying photo is of the str. NATCHEZ, a boat which was designed in the early 1970s and launched in 1975. There are a handful of other modern examples, namely the Julia Bell Swain built in 1971, the Missisppi Queen built in 1975, and the American Queen completed in 1994. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.1.134.173 ( talk) 06:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
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I would like the website http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk to be considered as a link to the paddle steamers page. This website is that of a leading maritime heritage registred charity with a specific interest in paddle steamers
90.210.128.249 ( talk) 07:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
A new river cruise ship was built in 2010 in Russia named the Sura (after the Sura River). She is propelled by two stern mounted paddle wheels which is said to have the advantage of a very low draft. The same wheels are used for steering. The shipyard that built it also states several more paddle wheelers are to be built.
I think that must be noted in the article.
DL24 ( talk) 12:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
two paragraphs about the Mississippi have been added to History/Western world. This could be expanded, but would seem out of proportion to rest of section. Sammy D III ( talk) 03:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed this article from Category:Ship types, on the grounds that Category:Ship types is a supercategory of Category:Paddle steamers (via categories Steamships and Ships by type), of which the article is a member. The relevant policy is WP:SUBCAT, which says that "A page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category (supercategory) of that category". Andy Dingley reverted "as the lead article of an eponymous cat".
I still think my edit is correct:
@ Andy Dingley: could you please explain why you think Paddle steamer should be in both Category:Paddle steamers and Category:Ship types. And/or could other editors comment on the matter. Mitch Ames ( talk) 11:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
In general, lead articles will be in nearly all of their associated category page's parent cats...
WP:OVERCAT is very often damaging, when applied in a simplistic blanket fashion.
lead articles will be in nearly all of their associated category page's parent cats?
I think there should be an explanation of how the feathering mechanism works, ideally with a picture (animated?). I don't know enough about how it works to add this myself. -- Roly ( talk) 06:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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How fast were early paddle steamers compared to the sailships they replaced? Presumably a combination of sail and steam was faster still? Crawiki ( talk) 16:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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