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https://twitter.com/therealoj32/status/1778430029350707380?s=46&t=Rtp2vyyLdGfBOgXPoTuzBQ 2601:184:417F:4170:E885:45:152E:AB5F ( talk) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am trying to discern what you would like included in the article. Are you providing a reference to his death via twitter or something else? I appreciate you including this information and also believe that a lot of reputable sources have reported the same information. Jurisdicta ( talk) 15:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Change all "is" to "was", and add a "Death" section Thegingiraffe ( talk) 14:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Already done - in lieu of a "Death" section, the information about his death was added to the "Personal life" section
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He died today on april 04 2024 194.182.143.10 ( talk) 14:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Already done thank you!
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Thoughts on moving the "Personal life" section below the "Legal history" section? To me it seems a bit weird that his death is covered before his legal history. The only issue I can see with this is that the "Personal life" section includes his marriage to Brown, which could potentially cause some confusion. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Biographies I've seen usually have "personal life" type sections before any controversy the individual was involved in. Putting the Legal History section before personal life makes it seem like the article is about the cases he was involved in rather than O.J. Simpson. This is just my perspective, but this is an article on him, not his legal cases. Berry ( talk) 15:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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O.J. Simpson died on April 10, 2024. Life.aslivi ( talk) 15:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Life.aslivi: Editors are updating the article. Thank you! GoingBatty ( talk) 15:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Can a "Music" section be added to "In popular culture" with a reference to the song "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" by Good Charlotte? The line "Well did you know if you were famous you could kill your wife / and there's no such thing as 25 to life / as long as you got the cash to pay for Cochran?" is a reference to Johnnie Cochran successfully defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial. Samerickson89 ( talk) 15:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- We can't add every pop culture reference of OJ Simpson to this article, that one included. For starters there's far too many, and second the list would be totally arbitrary.--Rockchalk 7 17 22:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Change "Norberg" to "Nordberg" in the "Acting career" section.
OJ Simpson actually played Det. Nordberg (with a 'd' in the middle) and not Det. Norberg in the Naked Gun films. See here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095705/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm
The character of Det. Norberg (without a 'd' in the middle) was played by a different actor in the TV series. See here: /info/en/?search=Police_Squad!#Cast Cuddles76 ( talk) 15:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Now that he's dead (rip to a real one) and WP:BLP doesn't apply shouldn't it should just say he did it? Dan • ✉ 16:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- We can continue to say he was acquitted in a court of law and held liable civilly. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. -- 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 17:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Saying he did it isn't (from a legal perspective) an accurate statement. It can be stated it is opinion of some people the he did, but we cannot directly state he did it.--Rockchalk 7 17 19:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- WP:BDP is still policy. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- This juror admitted that most of them knew that he did it, but still voted to acquit for revenge: https://www.thewrap.com/oj-simpson-juror-not-guilty-verdict-was-payback-for-rodney-king/ ; this other claims that the jurors couldn't possibly make their decision so fast and they likely voted "with the heart", without considering the evidence. Just adding this could be enough, see if you maybe find better sources than the wrap (there's a video of the juror tho). 93.44.200.186 ( talk) 05:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Found liable for double murder by a civil court 96.236.21.61 ( talk) 17:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a
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This article ran afoul of several accessibility issues, including MOS:COLOR, MOS:TABLECAPTION, WP:ALT, MOS:COLHEAD, and generally semantics issues per MOS:DTAB. I have changed this and quite frequently when I do, someone comes along and removes these with the weirdly hyper-conservative thinking, "I don't know what this is, so I'm removing it". Please do not undo any of these required changes and maintain proper accessibility and semantics in this and all other articles. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 05:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
"The verdict Following Simpson's acquittal, no additional arrests or convictions related to the murders were made."
Remove the verdict from this sentence 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 06:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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There appears to be a typo in this line from Personal Life, change 'hated' to 'had' :'In October, Brown called the police to report Simpson being violent again, after he allegedly found a photo of a man Brown hated dated while they were broken up.' 131.111.5.181 ( talk) 07:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
The opening would read better if the last part of the first sentence ("who was convicted of kidnapping and armed robbery") was removed and the first and second sentences were combined. As-is, too much weight is given to kidnapping and robbery, but those events are not primarily what O. J. was known for. Both the murders and the murder trials were much more important. 172.12.73.96 ( talk) 17:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree and have removed it. I believe that Wikipedia editors as a whole are biased towards wanting to call someone who has been convicted of a felony a "convicted felon" in the first sentence, even in cases where they shouldn't. This is one such example as his conviction is low down the list of what he's known for. I kept the first two sentences separate, however. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Which of the following images would work best for the infobox? -- 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 19:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Don't fix what ain't broke. Option 1, the status quo, works the best.
Bremps
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- Also noting that Option 2 may run into
WP:BDP issues until the Juice has been dead a hot minute.
Bremps
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- BDP aside, there's serious
WP:NPOV issues using that mugshot in the lead when he was acquitted. —
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- That only leaves Options 3 and 4 remaining, along with the status quo. Option 3 has a weird light/dark split along the middle of OJ's face. Option 4 is probably a copyright violation (see Commons page). I think this settles the debate.
Bremps
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- Clearly 1 is the superior image... two is undo as a mugshot... three has odd shading to it.... and four is the lowest quality image I think I've ever seen. Moxy🍁 18:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- That only leaves Options 3 and 4 remaining, along with the status quo. Option 3 has a weird light/dark split along the middle of OJ's face. Option 4 is probably a copyright violation (see Commons page). I think this settles the debate.
Bremps
... 18:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- BDP aside, there's serious
WP:NPOV issues using that mugshot in the lead when he was acquitted. —
Bagumba (
talk) 04:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting that Option 2 may run into
WP:BDP issues until the Juice has been dead a hot minute.
Bremps
... 23:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Before his murder trial, sportswriter Ralph Wiley claimed in 2002, White people considered Simpson a "unifying symbol of all races".
Should be - Before his murder trial, sportswriter Ralph Wiley claimed in 2002, white people considered Simpson a "unifying symbol of all races". 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 19:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
The short description says "American football player, actor and convicted felon" but the lead only says "American football player and actor". There should be some consistency here. 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 21:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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I'd like to suggest more background for the 'Illness and death' section on Simpson's chemotherapy treatment, the time of his diagnosis, and his later denials that he had entered hospice care. I had attempted to suggest a larger edit yesterday but the talk page was protected and the alternative method of requesting edits was not working for me, but now most of what I intended to request has already been added in the meantime, so I'll simply suggest this small addition to the beginning of the first paragraph:
"In May 2023, Simpson reported that he had been diagnosed with cancer in "really recent years" and expressed confidence that he would beat it. [1] He also said he was undergoing chemotherapy treatment and had begun smoking marijuana to help with nausea. [2] [3] In February 2024, Simpson denied reports that he had entered hospice care in a video posted on Twitter. In the video, Simpson stated "I don't know who put that out there [...] but I guess it's like the Donald says: can't trust the media! [...] All is well!" Simpson did not provide further details on his cancer treatment. [4] [5] Later that same month, it was reported that Simpson was undergoing treatment for prostate cancer. [6]"
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150.143.118.239 ( talk) 23:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
He had a minor role in the film. Needs to be added to his Film credits. 72.128.73.168 ( talk) 10:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Should this be mentioned in the lead or not? 150.143.27.147 ( talk) 20:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you suggest wording you think should be added? It's only mentioned once in the article, in an article this long that normally wouldn't be due for the lead. Valereee ( talk) 20:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
A legal verdict is not required for scholars and historians to draw their own conclusions based on the evidence: they may conclude that a person that was actually acquitted of some crime was, in fact, guilty; or they may conclude that someone who was convicted was, in fact, innocent. Although Simpson was acquitted in a trial, reliable sources, such as Jeffrey Toobin's book The Run of His Life: The People v. O. J. Simpson (1997), firmly establish that he killed Brown and Goldman. I think to say I think it is very easy to write it when the evidence is so overwhelming. It is
WP:BLP's standard, which, obviously, does not apply to someone who died years ago. We quite frequently describe deceased people in ways that imply or presume guilt; once someone has been dead for long enough that there's no longer a BLP-level risk of harm, the standard shifts to the same one we use for everything else (ie. what do the preponderance of the best available sources use, with perhaps some additional weight needed if the claim is
WP:EXCEPTIONAL.) Otherwise we would have to cover almost every historical figure's article with "alleged" this and that - especially murderous or genocidal dictators, heads of state, etc., who were often never convicted of any formal crimes.
WP:BDP applies; while
WP:BLP may apply for some period after death, that's exceptional, would only apply to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or particularly gruesome crime
and is comparatively brief. Well, I think it could be seen that those "living relatives and friends" might be just not wanting to believe it.
92.17.198.220 (
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reliable sources firmly establish that he killed Brown and Goldman
I highly doubt that, as it's not for RS to establish guilt. We should continue to say what we say, which is that he was found not guilty in a criminal trial and liable in a civil trial. – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I just thought that the discussion could be suggested in future, particularly as Wikipedia, from the mid-2010s, firmly embraced Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt and has no qualms about naming him as the killer, as officially concluded. /info/en/?search=Talk:Lee_Harvey_Oswald#Alleged 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 20:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Two suspects of murder are not necessarily the same beyond that. We had a Warren Commission on Oswald. What sources say OJ did it? – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I recently gave it away to a shop, but Jeffrey Toobin's book The Run of His Life: The People v. O. J. Simpson (1997) could be argued as one source. I obviously don't have the full argument he used on the page number but as quoted in this article: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/10/books/figuring-out-the-o-j-simpson-trial.html, "Mr. Toobin pulls no punches in this book. He is convinced that O. J. Simpson is guilty of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Lyle Goldman, and he argues that any rational analysis of the events and evidence in question leads to that conclusion." At the very least, it seems that various theories (like "Jason did it" or "intruders did it" are regarded as fringes theories and hardly taken seriosuly), especially as no other "reliable" theory surfaced. There are no definitive answers to any of these questions. Whether one answers “yes,” “probably,” “possibly,” “unlikely, “implausible,” or “no” to these questions will often depend on whether one already thinks O.J. is guilty or innocent. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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