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As of 23 August 2010 [update], no 3rd-party reliable sources have been located to support Michael 'Mic' Neumann as a founder. WP:Biographies of living persons stringently requires RS for claims about living persons. -- Lexein ( talk) 03:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
These edits were added today by IP editor 50.14.3.215:
Unfortunately, both sources are copy/pastes of old versions of this Wikipedia article, back when Neumann's name was added previously:
Currently, there seem to be no mentions of Neumann from that era (1998-2004). Given the long history of Neumann pushing his name into this article, with no reliable sources found for years, the threshold of inclusion is going to be pretty high. We're going to need two magazines or a book from that era (1998 - 2003), or any publication by Nylon, the Jarretts, Christensen or Blackwell to discuss (not just mention) Neumann. -- Lexein ( talk) 20:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
If that is you, Ms. Jarrett, we like the magazine. We protect the article from vandalism, and try to keep out unsourced material. However:
I've reverted this "Mic" edit as self-promotion, and the fact that we generally never mention regional advertising directors in articles about magazines, even if they were employees present at the founding of the magazine, and that the edit removed another cited statement. Discuss? -- Lexein ( talk) 16:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
What is there to discuss? long-term spammer. --
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In this edit, Neumann falsely re-added himself as "Development Director" and co-founder, "citing" this Flickr scan of the 1999 premiere issue. *We don't "cite" Flickr. We do cite the L.A. Times, where people are discussed about their contribution to the magazine. He's not. As backup, we cite Internet Archive copies of the actual website as it appeared in (say) 2010, or 2007. In the Flickr scan, Neumann is not masthead top four. We don't list advertising people, or development people, or alcohol and tobacco managers, either. Though he was certainly employed at Nylon in 1999, there's nothing hinting that Neumann was any sort of co-founder, except in the loosest possible sense of the word. Neumann's not listed in the L.A. Times article about the premiere issue, or any other interview with the Jarretts, or any other article about the magazine, ever, anywhere. (Against the masthead order, put himself 4th, ahead of Helena Christensen, who's listed 2nd on the premiere masthead. Weird.) So: abusing WP:COI again, WP:PROMO, WP:PEACOCK, removing RS (the archive.org copy of the 2010 masthead). -- Lexein ( talk) 01:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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Another anonymous IP re-added the claim that Neumann was a co-creator, based on a link to that Flickr scan and a fourteen-year-old article which cites a dead link. I've removed the claims, but I expect it's only a matter of time before this nonsense is repeated.
I've also removed the claim on the page for Kung Faux magazine that Neumann was a co-founder of Nylon, which was added by another IP editor a few months later. The fact that both these IP editors are, according to Whois, in East Orange, New Jersey, and that the second one has only really worked on pages closely connected with Mic Neumann, seems pretty DUCK-like behaviour. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 12:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)