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Kentucky, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin

If the Southeastern United States page on Wikipedia includes Alabama, Tennessee and Mississippi, why the Northeastern United States page doesn't include Kentucky, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin? Kentucky, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin are Northeastern geographically, just like Alabama, Tennessee and Mississippi are geographically southern. Plus those 5 northeastern states fits well with the other northeastern states when you go by northeast, southeast, southwest and northwest. MuppetHammer26II ( talk) 04:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Muppethammer26II: I believe the reason for the inconsistency is because it seems all of the articles on the four U.S. Census Bureau regions of the United States (Northeast, South, Midwest and West) use the Census Bureau definition of the region as the "primary definition" and then have explanations, including references, of other definitions. For example, there is a section in the Northeastern United States article that states that one definition of the Northeast includes all of the Northern states that are east of the Mississippi river, which tends to agree with your preferred definition, except for Kentucky which is generally considered to be part of the South. The Southeast is NOT a Census bureau defined area so its definition cannot, IMHO, shed any light on what "should" be considered the Northeast. The Census divisions of the South are the South Atlantic, East South Central and West South central...no mention of the Southeast. By the way, I have reverted some of your edits to population tables, etc. because these tables are clearly using Census bureau data, and as such, I believe they should agree with census bureau definitions of division and regions. BTW, I tend to agree that most people would include Delaware and Maryland in the Mid-Atlantic region and the Northeast rather than in the South Atlantic division and the South region. This seems to be amply discussed in the article, but doesn't warrant adjusting tables to agree with this point of view when the census bureau is clearly noted as the source of the information. If you wanted to add an additional table showing data for Maryland, Delaware and DC for example in the article that might be OK, if prefaced with something like: The following table shows the population, etc. for states which are sometimes included in other definitions of the Northeast. For completeness, however, I think you would also need to include data for all of the other states such as Illinois, West Virginia, etc. that are sometimes defined as Northeast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenHigh ( talkcontribs) 15:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
It does include Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin, but not Kentucky. The reason it does not include Kentucky is because there are no significant reliable sources contributing to the article which include Kentucky as part of the Northeastern United States. Hokie RNB 15:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
HokieRNB. The census bureau definition of the Northeast does NOT include the states you mentioned. It only includes the New England states and New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Some other definitions do include these states is clearly explained in the article. My main point is that the table which shows land, population and population density is clearly using the census bureau definition and therefore states that are not part of the census bureau definition should not be included in it. I plan to add a similar table to the articles on the Midwest, South and West regions. The states that you mention are all part of the Midwest region per the census bureau. KenHigh ( talk) 17:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Something you can do is to try to make the map with states highlighted red have more light red states. Ohio already is colored as such to indicate that it is sometimes included. Georgia guy ( talk) 17:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Ohio is not colored at all on the current map, even though it is listed twice in the Composition section. Iahklu ( talk) 20:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree that it should be. Hoppingalong ( talk) 19:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Somebody changed the map a few months ago on the image page. I changed it back. Hoppingalong ( talk) 19:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
@ KenHigh, no argument here. Just reiterating that the article has reliable sources for alternate definitions that include 4 of the 5 states mentioned. I was responding directly to the statement, "...why the Northeastern United States page doesn't include..." I in no way advocate their inclusion in the data tables. Hokie RNB 18:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Culturally diverse region?

In the intro to the article it states: "the Northeastern region is the nation's most economically developed, densely populated, and culturally diverse region". Which appears to be a direct quote from one of the sources. I don't quibble to much with the first two. But culturally diverse? Maybe considering New York or New Jersey....but most of that region is heavily white. Especially the New England States. There are states in the deep south (for example) that have larger percentages of minorities than any state in the Northeast.....so I have to question that statement. Rja13ww33 ( talk) 21:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

A region being "heavily white" doesn't mean it isn't also "culturally diverse". Having "larger percentages of minorities" doesn't make a state "culturally diverse". Maher-shalal-hashbaz ( talk) 11:07, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough, but even the cited sources for the statement don't say that (at least that I see). If we are going to run with such a nebulous statement, it should be sourced somewhere. Rja13ww33 ( talk) 04:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the cited source (World Regional Geography) explicitly states on page 647, "Of the five regions of the United States, the Northeast is the most intensively developed, densely populated, ethnically diverse, and culturally intricate." Maher-shalal-hashbaz ( talk) 18:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
It says "ethnically diverse" not culturally. (I was inaccurate in my original statement.) So I still take issue with the "culturally diverse" statement as it is unsourced and somewhat nebulous. Rja13ww33 ( talk) 18:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)