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It is incorrect to list Arabs as a sub-group of African-Americans, especially (obviously) Arabs from Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Yemen, which of course aren't even in Africa, though they're listed in the article. While some Arabs come from North Africa, this fact alone does not make them African American, a term usually reserved for those of sub-Saharan African descent (otherwise someone of white South African heritage could also claim to be African American). Egyptians and other North African Arabs or people of mixed Arab-Berber heritage would not consider themselves to be in the same group as African Americans, and are in fact counted as Caucasian by the US Census Bureau. There are Arabic-speaking sub-Saharan Africans, eg Sudanese and Somalians, but such countries are not generally considered to be part of the Middle East.
Mariano Paniello Mpaniello ( talk) 03:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
In their article about New York City, they had a subsection on race and ancestry. In the 1970s, when NYC had 7.1 million residents, about 21% were Jewish (although a religion, they're considered an ethnic group), around 20% were Black (both US-born, Caribbean and Latino), 14% Italian, 11% Irish and 9% "Spanish-speaking" groups (mostly Puerto Rican at the time). The article mentioned five others but no paragraphs on them: Germans, Poles, Chinese, Greeks and Russians. Go further back in time, the peak of Jewish percentage was 25% in 1940, 23% Italian in 1920 and 30% Irish in 1890. Blacks peaked in the 1990s and now Hispanic/Latinos (some demographers believe they are 35% of the city population of 9.1 million, esp. since the 1990s). In the Civil War period (1860s), Germans made up 20% and now Chinese, as part of Asian-Americans, form 15% of New Yorkers. 67.49.89.214 ( talk) 19:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to rename this article to "Ethnic groups in New York City", which is more in line with the naming pattern for every other city in the United States with articles related to ethnic history, See: Ethnic groups in Baltimore, Ethnic groups in Chicago, Ethnic groups in Metro Detroit, Ethnic groups in Houston, Ethnic groups in Los Angeles, Ethnic groups in Omaha, and Ethnic groups in Syracuse, New York. I don't see any reason that this article shouldn't be named similarly, especially since the article doesn't just detail the physical enclaves themselves, but the general culture and history of the ethnic groups as well. Just a suggestion. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 04:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Silikonz 💬 00:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
New York City ethnic enclaves →
Ethnic groups in New York City –
Bohemian Baltimore already gave good reasons in 2019, but there was no discussion after. My suggestion would be to rename this article to "Ethnic groups in New York City", which is more in line with the naming pattern for every other city in the United States with articles related to ethnic history, See:
Ethnic groups in Baltimore,
Ethnic groups in Chicago,
Ethnic groups in Metro Detroit,
Ethnic groups in Houston,
Ethnic groups in Los Angeles,
Ethnic groups in Omaha, and
Ethnic groups in Syracuse, New York. I don't see any reason that this article shouldn't be named similarly, especially since the article doesn't just detail the physical enclaves themselves, but the general culture and history of the ethnic groups as well.
Sativa Inflorescence (
talk) 15:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. This article is not about ethnic groups, it is about ethnic enclaves, i.e. neighborhoods which are an ethnicity happens to be particularly concentrated or dominant. The point is the geography. The articles you cite are not really comparable - they mostly have generic/total statements ("there are X Nigerians in Greater Houston") or sparse statements ("There are Thais in Los Angeles"). The focus of this article is neighborhoods, the where, not the whom. Walrasiad ( talk) 00:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Edit: To add, the kind of article that is comparable already exists at Demographics of New York City, and in the pages of individual boroughs, e.g. Demographics of Queens, Demographics of the Bronx, Demographics of Brooklyn, etc. Leave this one be. Walrasiad ( talk) 01:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support, provided work will be done (presumably by the proposer) to make article conform to the title, while preserving subsections on enclaves within the broader-scoped article. — HTGS ( talk) 01:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, nominator misses the scope of the article. -- Killuminator ( talk) 07:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Two days ago, the Brazilian enclave section (which is part of another section titled "Latin American") was
removed without any edit summary. When the section was restored, the user
removed it again and refused to discuss the topic on this talk page, claiming Its not "up for debate" if the Census Bureau does not consider them Hispanic or Latino
. I made
some revisions to change the header to "Latin American and South American" to reflect the fact that this talks about South American and Latin American enclaves, but it was
reverted
twice more with the user insisting that this topic didn't need discussion.
Since the Brazilian enclave clearly exists, I don't think removing that section is the right solution, so I'm leaving this up for discussion. – Epicgenius ( talk) 23:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- The reason for it's removal is that they're not Latinos? ..... I agree with this....can we not just simply move this section? The blanking seems a little bit suspicious.
Moxy🍁 23:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, perhaps it could be moved to the "Others" section. I'll action that now. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 23:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hopefully this solves the problem. Thanks. Moxy🍁 23:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, perhaps it could be moved to the "Others" section. I'll action that now. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 23:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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