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Native Americans religion survey
This is what I initially posted on Foorgood's user page
[1] after reverting his addition:
Insufficient data on religion poll
The survey does not say how "Native American" respondents were gauged - by tribal standards, self-id, or random census worker's impressions. I looked over the site and could find no data on this. Without this supporting data, the resultant poll results are unfortunately useless and possibly very misleading, for instance, like the mascot polls that rely on self-id. If it's anything like the general reporting in the last census, where self-id was allowed, the number of people falsely reporting Native status/ancestry increased exponentially. These could be largely non-Natives with blood myths. -
CorbieVreccan☊☼ 20:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
PRRI is the most reputable religious source in the US after Pew that is used on Wiki. The methodology just like any other religious survey is extensive and detailed here.
https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/#_ftn1
" 2020 American Values Atlas (AVA) is a project of PRRI. Results for all demographic, religious affiliation, and political affiliation questions were based on 50,334 bilingual telephone interviews (including 35,212 cell phone interviews) conducted between January 7, 2020 and December 20, 2020 by professional interviewers under the direction of SSRS. National results for questions on specific issues are based on a subset of 10,052 telephone interviews (including 6,981 cell phone interviews) conducted in 10 weeks spread across the year. State level results for questions on specific issues are based on the national subset plus an oversample of 10 key states in 30 additional weeks, resulting in 23,536 interviews across all 50 states plus the District of Columbia (including 16,848 cell phone interviews)."
Foorgood (
talk) 20:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Right, phone interviews. Self-reporting/self-id by a non-Native survey company. Exactly how we got those mascot results the Washington team used to defend their former mascot. No proof anyone they spoke too was actually Indigenous. Not RS for Native American data. That is the data I looked at. -
CorbieVreccan☊☼ 21:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Additionally, this article is about the spiritual and religious beliefs found in the Indigenous cultures of Indigenous peoples of the Americas, not about other, non-Native religions people who self-identify as Native American, and who may or may not have any connection to an Indigenous culture, may also participate in or have converted to, or have had their ancestors forcibly converted to. -
CorbieVreccan☊☼ 21:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Your only valid point is that my edit belongs elsewhere since this is about their indigenous religions but your requisite of a "native survey company" is invalid. Your opinion has no say in trying to undermine PRRI which is used all over wiki as a top reliable source.
Foorgood (
talk) 23:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Please read it again. It's not about a "Native survey company" ("Native American" and "Indigenous" are capitalized when referring to people, btw). It's also not about this company's other surveys. It's about this issue of self-id and
the fact that self-id in a phone poll is not a reliable criteria. If the survey was about the religion of those who self-id as Native, or who self-id as having Native heritage, that would be another issue. -
CorbieVreccan☊☼ 19:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Requested move 5 April 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose - unnecessarily long. The term "Native American" already applies to only Native tribes within the US. In Canada they're called
First Nations and they use Spanish terms in the countries south of the US border. And there's not even other articles about those nations and their Indigenous religions so I'm not sure what's the point of distinguishing this as US-centric when you mentioned creating a separate disambiguation page for
Indigenous religions in the Americas that doesn't redirect here.
Oppose adds length without adding meaning.
Yuchitown (
talk) 13:58, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Yuchitownreply
Please note that
Native Americans is a disambiguation page and the article about the Indigenous inhabitants of the United States is at
Native Americans in the United States. And that article is only about Indigenous people in mainland United States. While most of the time Native American does refer to only those inhabiting the United States it is not exclusive. Some examples include:
Oppose as incorrect
branching. The proposed title implies that the broader topic is "all religions of indigenous peoples of the Americas", of which we are focusing specifically on the United States. Instead, I think the broader topic should be "indigenous peoples of the United States", of which we are focusing specifically on their religion. If you really wanted to include "United States", the correct way to do it would be
Religions of Native Americans of the United States (which I oppose as long and unwieldy, for the record). --
King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Waashat Religion Overhaul
I have just edited the Waashat Religion section in a effort to make it more up to Wikipedia's standards. I have not removed the section warning header in the case someone thinks it still belongs there. I would like a second opinion as to whether or not the header is still needed.
Inndrid (
talk) 22:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)reply