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Removal of accessibility features

@ Toa Nidhiki05: I'm asking the question again with no agenda or assumption or aggression: did you read the pages that I directed you to in my edit summary or not? As for BRD, we are required to have these accessibility features on every data table. I'm not required to get consensus for adding them to the literal millions of tables on Wikiepdia on a case-by-case basis: they all need them. Why would you remove the row scopes? How is that as accessible as before? ― Justin (koavf)TCM 14:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I have read the pages before, dude. I literally said I was making edits to address your concerns. I am not sure why you are so caught up on accusing me of not reading pages. My entire complaint is that your edit created a gigantic ugly, colored "League" column at the end of the table that looks terrible. I don't have any issue with accessibility, but I have issue with you adding a gigantic ugly column on an already bloated table. That's why I tried to find a better solution, which you immediately reverted while claiming BRD (when you were the initial editor). If you don't want your edit changed in any way, just say it so I can stop wasting my time trying to fix the aesthetic problem. Toa Nidhiki05 14:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
I'm not accusing you of not having read them. I am now asking why since you knew that all tables need these features, you removed them. How is that a good thing? Also, please don't make aggressive bad faith assumptions that I "don't want your edit changed in any way". I disagree that there is an aesthetic problem in the first place. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 14:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
I've already answered this. Can you answer my question - are you open to any edit that doesn't keep 100% of what you changed to the table formatting? Because it seems like you are extremely committed to it looking like this forever and are willing to edit war over it. Toa Nidhiki05 15:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
You have not answered the question: "How is removing accessibility features a good thing?" As I just tacitly answered, of course I am, but edits should have proper semantics, e.g. for things like definition lists. So now that I have answered your question, please answer my questions that you have not answered. Once again: "Why would you remove the row scopes? How is that as accessible as before?" ― Justin (koavf)TCM 15:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
There's already a definition list. It's at the bottom of the table, and it has been there for years. All you did was add a second, redundant list that looks poorly formatted. If the table looks like this, would you not revert it? Toa Nidhiki05 15:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
That does not answer my questions and it is not a definition list. Look at the HTML in your edit: does it have a dt tag? Please answer this question and my former ones which you have not answered. I answer your questions, so I'm hopeful you will answer in good faith and not insert things into tables that are non-tabular data. It is not appropriate to add a row that includes miscellaneous information that is not the scope of the table: that is why key/item pairs for definition lists exist in the first place. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 15:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
Would this be an appropriate substitute for you key, or do you demand the unformatted key stay as well? Toa Nidhiki05 15:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
You have (objectively) again ignored my questions and (subjectively, based on my perspective of the function of a table) again abused a table for non-tabular data. This is why key/item pairs for definition lists exist in the first place. This would certainly be much better and semantically much more meaningful than making a row of random information. Still waiting for your answers to my many questions that you've ignored. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 15:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
Your "definition list" looks terrible. It's unformatted, and I've never seen anyone demand anything like it on any other page on this website. I think it's abundantly clear at this point you aren't willing to actually discuss your edit, and you're willing to edit war to defend it - and that's deeply unfortunate. That also means this discussion is probably a complete waste of time - I'm not willing to engage in an edit war over this, but if your edit is reversed or modified (and it likely will be), I would highly advise you to follow WP:BRD. Toa Nidhiki05 15:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
I have no problem with formatting it. I'm concerned about its semantics, not its style. You can do amazing things with CSS. Still waiting for you to answer my many questions. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 15:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
I'm not answering your questions because they essentially amount to "why do you hate blind people" and "why do you think accessibility is bad". If you want me to answer questions, ask better questions. I've tried to address your concerns, but you aren't budging an inch on anything, which again, leads to my conclusion that you aren't actually interested in discussing your edit or changing it in any way. I can't reason with that. Toa Nidhiki05 15:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply
That is not true. It is a very simple question to ask why you removed the row scopes. I have no clue why you would do that. Can you please explain why you did? I am also completely fine with whatever styling you want: that seems to be your primary concern, so I don't know why you're misrepresenting my position. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 16:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

It seems in the latest edit, Toa has restored the row scopes. We should probably move on from that.

How about we put the definition list at the bottom of the table, replacing the key? IMO it looks about the same and is way easier to understand Aaron Liu ( talk) 13:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Seems reasonable to me. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 20:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC) reply
Wait--do you mean as part of the table itself? No, it's not tabular data and it is a definition list. ― Justin (koavf)TCM 19:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC) reply
Hmm... on second thought, putting it before the table is also a lot better because for people who use un-advanced screen readers they can hear the key before reading the table.
I don't really know what to do with the looks of the definition list. 🤷 Aaron Liu ( talk) 20:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC) reply
What is the problem with the looks? ― Justin (koavf)TCM 22:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC) reply
it looks very separated from the table, but either way its not a big deal. Aaron Liu ( talk) 22:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC) reply
Key
Symbol Meaning
* Club has relocated at some point in its existence
Club was a founding member of the NFL
National Football League (NFL) clubs
Conference Division
[1]
Club
[1]
City Stadium
[2]
Capacity First
season
[3]
Head
coach
American Football Conference East Buffalo Bills Orchard Park, NY Highmark Stadium 71,608 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Sean McDermott
Miami Dolphins Miami Gardens, FL Hard Rock Stadium 64,767 1966 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Mike McDaniel
New England Patriots Foxborough, MA Gillette Stadium 65,878 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Bill Belichick
New York Jets East Rutherford, NJ MetLife Stadium [A] 82,500 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Robert Saleh
North Baltimore Ravens* Baltimore, MD M&T Bank Stadium 71,008 1996 [B] John Harbaugh
Cincinnati Bengals Cincinnati, OH Paycor Stadium 65,515 1968 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Zac Taylor
Cleveland Browns Cleveland, OH Cleveland Browns Stadium 67,895 1946 ( AAFC)
1950 (NFL) [B]
Kevin Stefanski
Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh, PA Acrisure Stadium 68,400 1933 Mike Tomlin
South Houston Texans Houston, TX NRG Stadium 71,995 2002 DeMeco Ryans
Indianapolis Colts* Indianapolis, IN Lucas Oil Stadium 63,000 1953 Shane Steichen
Jacksonville Jaguars Jacksonville, FL EverBank Stadium [C] 67,814 1995 Doug Pederson
Tennessee Titans* Nashville, TN Nissan Stadium 69,143 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Mike Vrabel
West Denver Broncos Denver, CO Empower Field at Mile High 76,125 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Sean Payton
Kansas City Chiefs* Kansas City, MO GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium 76,416 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Andy Reid
Las Vegas Raiders* Paradise, NV Allegiant Stadium 65,000 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Antonio Pierce

(interim)

Los Angeles Chargers* Inglewood, CA SoFi Stadium [D] 70,240 1960 ( AFL)
1970 (NFL)
Brandon Staley
National Football Conference East Dallas Cowboys Arlington, TX AT&T Stadium 80,000 1960 Mike McCarthy
New York Giants East Rutherford, NJ MetLife Stadium [A] 82,500 1925 Brian Daboll
Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia, PA Lincoln Financial Field 69,176 1933 Nick Sirianni
Washington Commanders* Landover, MD FedExField 62,000 1932 Ron Rivera
North Chicago Bears*† Chicago, IL Soldier Field 61,500 1920 Matt Eberflus
Detroit Lions* Detroit, MI Ford Field 65,000 1930 Dan Campbell
Green Bay Packers Green Bay, WI Lambeau Field 81,441 1921 Matt LaFleur
Minnesota Vikings Minneapolis, MN U.S. Bank Stadium 66,860 1961 Kevin O'Connell
South Atlanta Falcons Atlanta, GA Mercedes-Benz Stadium 71,000 1966 Arthur Smith
Carolina Panthers Charlotte, NC Bank of America Stadium 75,523 1995 Frank Reich
New Orleans Saints New Orleans, LA Caesars Superdome 73,208 1967 Dennis Allen
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa, FL Raymond James Stadium 65,618 1976 Todd Bowles
West Arizona Cardinals*† Glendale, AZ State Farm Stadium 63,400 1920 Jonathan Gannon
Los Angeles Rams* Inglewood, CA SoFi Stadium [D] 70,240 1936 ( AFL)
1937 (NFL)
Sean McVay
San Francisco 49ers Santa Clara, CA Levi's Stadium 68,500 1946 ( AAFC)
1950 (NFL)
Kyle Shanahan
Seattle Seahawks Seattle, WA Lumen Field 69,000 1976 Pete Carroll
* Club has relocated at some point in its existence
† Club was a founding member of the NFL

References

  1. ^ a b "Teams". Pro Football Hall of Fame. Archived from the original on January 10, 2013. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  2. ^ Breer, Albert (July 6, 2012). "NFL stadiums go from boom to swoon in span of a decade". NFL.com. NFL Enterprises. Archived from the original on January 31, 2013. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  3. ^ a b "History of NFL franchises, 1920–present". Pro Football Hall of Fame. Archived from the original on January 2, 2013. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  4. ^ Borden, Sam; Shipigel, Ben (December 22, 2011). "Preparations Different for a Home-and-Home Contest". The New York Times. Archived from the original on May 12, 2013. Retrieved February 2, 2013.
  5. ^ Morgan, Jan (February 9, 1996). "Deal clears NFL path to Baltimore". The Baltimore Sun. Archived from the original on September 1, 2012. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  6. ^ Gossi, Tony (September 12, 1999). "Rival Pittsburgh gives Cleveland a brutal welcome in 43–0 drubbing". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on May 13, 2013. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  7. ^ Pengelly, Martin (August 21, 2012). "Jacksonville Jaguars to play four NFL 'home' games at Wembley". The Guardian. London. Archived from the original on January 7, 2014. Retrieved February 1, 2013.
  8. ^ Cite error: The named reference Jaguars at Wembley through 2020 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. ^ "Jacksonville Jaguars to host regular-season game in the United Kingdom in each of next four years". Jaguars.com. Jacksonville Jaguars. August 21, 2012. Archived from the original on September 19, 2015. Retrieved December 31, 2018.
  10. ^ Wharton, David (January 22, 2020). "SoFi Stadium rises to a new level as Inglewood prepares for its impact". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved January 24, 2020.

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024

I want to say that the AFL was started by Lamar Hunt. Change Bill Belichick to Jerod Mayo. Ufhsid ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 ( talk) 16:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2024

Add a * next to the Ravens because they relocated from Cleveland. 100.18.7.102 ( talk) 06:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: Per the note on the page, the Ravens were considered a new franchise, and the Browns were considered to be inactive from 1996 to 1998. PianoDan ( talk) 19:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Wiki Education assignment: University Writing 1020 Communicating Feminism MW 1 pm

This article is currently the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 January 2024 and 15 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Alyssalauri ( article contribs).

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Highest Level Source?

In the first paragraph there is an opinion, being "the highest professional level of American football in the world.". This is clearly just someone's opinion and due to the competition not being open to any other countries, I don't see how this claim can be made. John arneVN ( talk) 02:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC) reply

There's nothing stopping another country to pick up American football and organize a high-level professional league. Its just that no body has done it. So by reduction, the NFL is the highest professional level of American football in the world. Removing the "in the world" part would imply that there was another league higher or same level as NFL and that is simply not true. JackFromWisconsin ( talk | contribs) 16:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Heck, it's the only fully professional American football league in the world, save the newly merged UFL, which is by its own admission a lower tier. This is approaching WP:BLUE territory. oknazevad ( talk) 16:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
There's also a source already in the lead backing the claim up. Toa Nidhiki05 01:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Requested move 3 March 2024

– In response to the ongoing move discussion on the NBA page, I request this set of page moves in order to meet WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. ScarletViolet ( talkcontribs) 12:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  JML1148 ( talk | contribs) 10:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose league article, fine with the others in line with the discussion at Talk:National Basketball Association oknazevad ( talk) 13:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose all – The NFL is not only called the NFL and it's not beneficial to move it to the short form acronym. Then, for consistency, it doesn't make sense to use the acronym for the rest of the pages. Hey man im josh ( talk) 13:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The status quo actually isn't consistent. For example, there's the existing season pages (e.g. 2023 NFL season) and the drafts ( 2023 NFL draft), among others. — Bagumba ( talk) 14:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Hey man im josh, thoughts on Bagumba's comment above, the discussion below and the close at NBA? Possibility of reconsidering? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: WikiProject National Football League has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: WikiProject American Football League has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: WikiProject American football has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 13:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
—⁠ ⁠ BarrelProof ( talk) 06:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose, for the main article, Support, for the other subpages, per oknazevad and Bagumba. JParksT2023 ( talk) 15:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
NBA-specific technical issues

What's your opinion?

So, should we split the NFL teams section into it's own article? PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 16:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Try requesting a move, see how that works. 75.176.73.120 ( talk) 02:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't know how to, though. PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 02:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Is this referring to the section National Football League § Clubs?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah. PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 13:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not particularly large. What would be added? Consider the guideline WP:AVOIDSPLIT:

...editors are encouraged to work on further developing the parent article first, locating coverage that applies to both the main topic and the subtopic. Through this process, it may become evident that subtopics or groups of subtopics can demonstrate their own notability, and thus can be split off into their own article.

Bagumba ( talk) 14:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
It's useful for this page and doesn't need a split. Remember that for every split a large percentage of readers are lost, so best to keep everything in this article presentable and in one place. Randy Kryn ( talk) 14:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not got too much detail, it's a good amount to summarise the main points of how teams, conferences and TV blackouts work, which are all key concepts to understanding the NFL (particularly for readers that don't watch much NFL). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok, just asking PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 17:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply


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