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On 31 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mukden Incident to Mukden incident. The result of the discussion was moved. |
If anyone can add text/bibliography concerning the Soviet involvement in this incident I'd be very grateful!
In the West historical events are usually referred to by their content, places, or people involved -- events of a military nature are almost always described by their location. Using dates is uncommon (9/11 being the main exception I can think of). Brutannica 01:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC) ==It was the original stealth invasion-attack, frequently practiced by Japannese, long before 9-11 occurred in 2001 in U.S.A.
While the Japanese government likely did not collaborate in the Mukden Incident, I find it hard to believe the Japanese government's claim of being unable to restrain its army.
First, if the Japanese government had truly wished to stop the invasion of Manchuria, it could simply freeze fund and supply to the Kwantong Army. This is before the Japanese militant seized total control, so this action would have been possible.
Second, if Japanese government was opposed to invasion of Manchuria, why did they leave the League of Nations after being insisted to withdraw from Manchuria?
Note that there's been cases where Japanese Government would say one thing and do another (well that actually applies to most government). Such as Pearl Harbour (Japanese had assured it would not attack USA days before attack on Pearl Harbour).
It would be helpful if someone knowledgable could cite the evidence of 'major hanaya', with an online or offline source or whatever other evidence either way is existent
A view without any historical evidence should not be put in the text. Just kidding: I have a view that the bomb was planted by Alien from Mars, should this view also be added into the text?
The original document used the term "Terrorists" for the suggestion of Chinese blowing up the railway. Using said term is biased and questionable in neutrality, as China and Japan were at war during that period.
I request a rewrite of the controversy section of the page. It almost completly vets all evidence and possibility of the bomb being planted by any other party than the Imperial Japanese Army. The comparisons to "holocaust denial" and "Nanking Denial" are absured. In both cases, it is unbelievably obvious that it was commited by the Axis powers against civilians, and requires absured ideas to justify it, like to deny Auschwitz would require one to believe that the Red Army kept thousands of people starved (ok, that in and of itself is not hard to believe, considering the supply situation of the Soviets) and created amazingly accurate and confimable IDs for the 'fake' Jewish deportees, and managed to construct a large complex within one day of seizing the area, and to top it all off, managed to find German POW's willing to play the role of the 'non-existant' SS and Camp command. Under such rediculous requirements, it is obvious to all but the most rabid and ignorant individual that the camp must be true and the genocide it wreaked in full swing until it was seized.
I the Mukden incident, it is far more uncertin. Unlike the outrageous requirements for the Russians to fake Auschwitz, this is a very simple matter: the bomb, it is agreed by anyone, was real. The damage was real. There is one, and I mean ONLY one difference between the stories: who planted it.
This is where the finger pointing starts. The fact is, despite her victory over the Russian Tsar almost 3 decades before this happened, the Japanese felt cheated becuase they did not get ALL of Manchuria, and it was common knowledge that they wanted to conquer China and most of the Orient. Their spies, including the sinister and digusting Kenji Doihara, had been operating in China and most of the Far East of decades and everyone knew it, the major question was WHO. There was no question about the WHY, because anyone with passing knowledge would know the WHY. And on the other hand, China was furious about the Empire of the Rising Sun's Rising prestige and good relations with the occidental powers while they were seen as weak pushovers worth only for their vast resources and manpower. They still remembered their humiliation in cedeing Korea to the Japanese, and they were further infuriated when Manchuria, then occupied by the Russians but still considered Chinese, was annexed by the Empire. They also further were aggrivated by constant Japanese Imperialist ambitions on their border.
OK, so both sides have motive. And this is where the case drops off, as noone knows FOR SURE who planted the bomb. Mao raised hell in a purge in 1955 when one of his minister suggusted commerating the "freedom fighters of the motherland that dared to humiliate the Japanese Imperialists and destroy their precious railway."
The fact is, we also cannot rule out 3rd parties: a random Japanese radical who believed the only way to jumpstart the 'Greater East Asia Coprosperity Sphere' was to break into the guarded military outpost and blow up a section of track to frame the Chinese without the knowledge of the military, a Korean nationalist who sought to undermine the Japanese occupation of Korea and bring China into the fray on the side of Korea, a Soviet spy who sought to curtail the Japanese ambitions into Soviet Manchuria? Noone knows. I am not saying that the Japanese were innocent, they obviously were not. Even if they did not plan the bomb, they obviously exploited it for all it was worth by conquering Manchuria. I merely wish that it be rewritten to show that there is genuine skepticism and uncertinty about who planted the bomb. ELV
Could someone add a section on actions of the League of Nations during the crisis? From my own knowledge, I know they dispached a team of investigators who took a long time to issue a moral condemnation. Can someone verify this as I am not certain this is true. Poorsod 15:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
This article says that the identity of the bombers is controversial, but earlier reports in detail that the Japanese army did so. This contradiction should be reconciled. Also, the article does not have any footnotes providing documentation for any of its claims. -- Beland 23:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hear hear. Is all this direct comparison with Holocaust denial and criticism of Western leaders for criticizing the Chinese for opening a museum designed specifically to stoke anti-Japanese, nationalistic sentiment really NPOV? Kensai Max 21:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
The rambling about neo-Nazis does seem a little extraneous at any rate. 86.137.138.9 10:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
No one has the spare time to do this? its obviously needed. -- Utmostevil 18:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
copied the following text from manchurian incident,
The starting point of the Showa War [i.e. Sino-Japanese War of 1931-1945] was the Manchurian Incident that took place in September 1931. Who should be blamed for having caused the incident? The main instigators of the incident were Kanji Ishihara and Seishiro Itagaki, staff officers of the Kwantung Army, a unit of the Imperial Japanese Army.
Determined to conspire together to grab power and lead the country, they became the masterminds of the act of aggression into Manchuria (currently part of northeastern China) and literally dragged the nation into a series of wars.
At the core of Lt. Col. Ishihara's militarist thinking was the pursuit of the "Final World War Theory" to determine the No. 1 country of the world in a war between Japan and the United States, which he considered the greatest nations of the Eastern and Western civilizations, respectively.
In January 1928, at a meeting of the Mokuyo-kai (Thursday Society) group of elite officers who graduated from the Imperial Japanese Army's War College, Ishihara said, "The nation could stand being in a state of war for even 20 years or 30 years if we have footholds all over China and fully use them."
In June of that year, Daisaku Komoto, the predecessor of Itagaki, assassinated Zhang Zuolin, a Chinese warlord who had a strong influence in Manchuria, by blowing up the train in which he was traveling. This incident would become a model for the Manchurian Incident.
The Manchurian Incident took place as members of the Kwantung Army blew up a section of South Manchuria Railway lines in Liutiaogou (Lake Liutiao), outside Mukden (currently Shenyang). The army then took control of Mukden in a single day. The temporary mayor's post of Mukden was taken up by Kenji Dohihara, then chief of the Mukden Special Service Agency.
The Kwantung Army began advancing into Jilin Province beyond its original garrison areas. Shigeru Honjo, then commander of the Kwantung Army, initially opposed sending troops to Jilin. But he eventually yielded to Itagaki's persistence and decided to give the go-ahead to the deployment.
Senjuro Hayashi, commander of the Japanese Army in Korea, also decided to dispatch his troops to Manchuria without an order. He followed advice from staff officers of the Japanese Army in Korea, who had ties with Ishihara and Itagaki.
Kingoro Hashimoto, chief of the Russia group of the Army General Staff's 2nd Bureau, had close contacts with them.
Hashimoto formed the Sakura-kai (Cherry Society) group that comprised young reformist officers, and used the group as a foothold to lead two failed coup attempts called the "March Incident" and the "October Incident." The March Incident was aimed at installing War Minister Kazushige Ugaki as prime minister. Others involved in the incident included Kuniaki Koiso, chief of the ministry's Military Affairs Bureau.
The October Incident was linked to the Manchurian Incident, although it was poorly planned. However, it would be the forerunner for a series of coups and terrorist acts, such as the May 15 Incident of 1932 and Feb. 26 Incident of 1936.
Before the Manchurian Incident, War Minister Jiro Minami strongly advocated to take hard line stance on Manchuria and Inner Mongolia. Without complaint, Prime Minister Reijiro Wakatsuki readily approved the dispatch of troops from the Japanese Army in Korea to Manchuria at its own discretion after being told about it by Minami.
The helplessness of [Japanese] politicians from being able to prevent military officers stationed outside the country from spinning out of control surfaced for the first time at this point.
It was the beginning of the 14-year-long Japanese Militarist invasion, occupation and colonization of Manchuria, the northeastern region of China.
Blueshirts 18:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I made the following changes based on Edward Behr's book "The Last Emperor": In "The Incident", changed statement placing the bomb "beneath the tracks".. Behr's book says it was placed nearby so as not to do any damage - the photo bears this out. Accordingly, changed "destroyed track" to "damaged track". Also, a citation is needed regarding Itagaki Seishiro as one of the planners, Behr's book does not mention him at all. In "Invasion", I reworded statement that the Chinese were "immediately framed"... poor usage. I think what is meant is they were "blamed". Also deleted "put up no resistance". 500 dead Chinese soldiers seems to indicate there was some resistance, at least at first. P. Moore 02:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
The peace museum in Hiroshima says the Japanese blew it up.
-- 220.233.190.68 15:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
removed:
unreferenced since February. User:Pedant 10:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It stikes me that including the reference to Holocaust denial in the Contoversy section is editorializing:
"However, just like the Holocaust denial, the nationalistic Japanese establishment, such as the Yushukan Museum, which neighbors the Yasukuni Shrine in Japan, places the blame on Chinese militias."
Any sources analyzing supposed parallels? Bigbadger79 15:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone should do a GA-nom...I'm in "study for finals" mode right now.-- Xiaphias ( talk) 10:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this article will carry a GA tag the day an article denying the Holocaust qualifies. 203.173.165.215 ( talk) 21:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Are there any historical records indicating what time in the morning of September 13, 1931, the Japanese troops attacked the Chinese garrison of 7,000 soldiers? Did this happen before dawn? Was there fog or rain at the time? What kind of weather reports were available to the Chinese and Japanese military, respectively? 198.177.27.32 ( talk) 05:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I apologize if I'm not doing this right (and I don't think I am, even though I searched the help files looking for instructions)--Just a tiny point on the Mandarin pinyinization of the incident which is currently written as "liu3 tiao2 gou1": why is the last character pinyinized as "gou1" the related character appears to be "hu2" and as far as I know, it only has one reading (hu2), shouldn't this be corrected? Didn't want to go and do it myself unless I'm mistaken. Weiming2 ( talk) 14:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The WP article: False flag uses this as an example of a false flag operation. There should probably be some cross-pollination (mention this as a false flag operation somewhere?) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 ( talk) 00:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
The "Manchurian Incident" (満州事変, Manshū Jihen) is the Japanese name for what English Wikipedia calls the " Japanese invasion of Manchuria". The ja.wiki link included on this page more correctly belongs on that article, and the two should probably be merged. I'm not a specialist in this area, so if someone could cite a source that actually says "The Manchurian Incident was a staged event engineered by rogue Japanese military personnel as a pretext for the Japanese invasion in 1931 of northeastern China, known as Manchuria." I'd be willing to change my position. But I've checked two other encyclopedia articles with this title and both of them agree that what is being described is the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. This is of concern because I was recently under a provisional unblock preventing me from directly editing the History of Japan page, and I requested another user make an edit in my stead; that edit was, according to normal usage of the term "Manchurian Incident", perfectly acceptable; but this article appears to contradict it. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 12:23, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
I added the location. This is an original map.
which matches the location of the museum. My coordinates may be out by 100m or so. Macgroover ( talk) 16:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
A line in this wiki states "Japanese secret agents had permeated Zhang's command because of his past (and his father, Zhang Zuolin's) reliance on Japanese military advisers. The Japanese knew the Northeastern Army very well and were able to conduct operations with ease.", sourcing [17], Robert H. Ferrel - The Mukden Incident.
Can someone corroborate this? I just read the entirety of Ferrel's article and could NOT find discussion on 'secret agents', 'spies', or anything related to such theory in the entire article. If this line is incorrect, it should be removed. Thanks.
In the "In popular culture" section, it says:
Where in the manga is the Mukden Incident mentioned? I haven't read the manga and I can't find where it is referenced. GoldenBootWizard276 ( talk) 12:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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