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Who exactly is the one democrat among the two Republicans on Mount Rushmore? TR? No, Republican and then Bull Moose. Lincoln? Nope, he was the first GOP president after the collapse of the Whig party. So it must be Jefferson, right, because everyone knows Washington was nonpartisan Federalist and held office before the establishment of the two party system. Nope. Jefferson was an anti-Federalist, aka (non-GOP) Republican. So there are actually three Republicans and one Federalist on Mount Rushmore. No Democrats within sight -- yet.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.86.167.87 ( talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Borglum also carved a massive chamber in an area behind Lincoln's head that he intended for storage of the US governments most precious documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc). His argument to congress failed, but the US Park Service placed a vault on the site with representations of those documents as a time capsule of sorts. Borglum's plans also included placing a bust of every US President in the Hall. I am new to Wiki, so I am not sure how to go about editing/adding this info to the site. ChristopherTD 01:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
In a canyon behind the carved faces is a chamber, cut only 70 feet (21 m) into the rock, containing a vault with sixteen porcelain enamel panels. The panels include the text of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, biographies of the four presidents and Borglum, and the history of the U.S. The chamber was created as the entranceway to a planned "Hall of Records"; the vault was installed in 1998.[15]
This is wrong, and if you actually read the reference given, you'll see that the original sculptor planned a hall of records, but the federal government wouldn't fund it, so the only thing that exists is a carved door frame. Someone with some authority here should fix this since I can't seem to edit the article myself. daverted —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC).
Why is the article not locked ?? It is on the wikipedia front page ! Is this a change of policy ? Pradiptaray 03:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Definitely, it just got hit again. I clicked on "More", and all I saw was the quote "I LOVE REALLY BIG PENIS" (sic). Thankfully it was fixed about 15 seconds later, but come on, a featured article not locked? Highlander3751 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Currently, 6:55 EST PM December ^ 2006, there's a very offensive message that I refuese to repeat under the flora and fauna section that I ask a reputable member to remove.
The entire history section was just deleted. Someone needs to fix that.
What makes a reference to MAD Magazine any less significant than The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Muppets, or Superman? Why don't these references get removed as well?
This is the finished edit, it was removed before I finished refining it:
On the cover of the February 1957 issue of MAD Magazine (Issue #31), the cover depicts Mount Rushmore with a fifth face as well, that of Alfred E. Neuman. [1]
The reference link takes you to a picture of the mentioned cover: Cover of Mad #31 (February 1957),
billdescoteaux 06:20, 06 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen the recent edit. Since the cover of that MAD issue certainly meets the criteria for M.R. appearing on it quite dominantly, maybe it could be reinserted, in a bullet-form like the other items? billdescoteaux 07:06, 06 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, as stated, I've provided a reference link. I will go ahead and insert the reference in bullet form. The link is also in this discussion, just prior to your first response of my inquiry. billdescoteaux 07:24, 06 December 2006 (UTC)
The purpose of an "Appearances in Popular Culture" section is to get a sense of how the subject is viewed and understood in society, not to provide additional factual knowledge about the subject. There's nothing in the The Muppets or Alfred Hitchcock that mention Mt. Rushmore, nor do those topics tell you much more about the monument per se. The appearance of Rushmore in Cabinet magazine/Matthew Buckingham's poster [1] provides exactly the sort of cultural understanding that an appearances section is for.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blamblamblam ( talk • contribs)
My edit which added two words to the "See also" section got reverted. I added the words Lakota and "leader", since saying that the Crazy Horse Memorial is a sculpture of a Native American is not saying much for someone who didnt read the article and just browsed through to the bottom.
Further, why are asymmetric references not appreciated for Mount Rushmore ? Reverse linking is simply not plausible in some cases, especially for magazines with thousands of issues, and often important content. I personally would like to think that the MAD magazine is more visible than something like The Family Guy. Pradiptaray 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Clearly Mount Rushmore has been a big influence in the japanese anime Naruto where in Konohara (Hidden Leaf) Village, the main four leaders (Kage) have their faces carved into the living rock. This type of effect is prominent in many TV shows I think.
There is also a miniaturized version of Mount Rushmore in "the world in miniature" in Cornwall, and is also featured in the film "The Truman Show" when they use famous places to show he has visited externally to his "island". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.252.32.77 ( talk) 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Mount Rushmore also appears in National Treasure 2 where it is the location of the lost city of gold named Cibolla. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trybalnet06 ( talk • contribs) 21:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
In the universe of the Ben 10 franchise, Mount Rushmore is the location of the main Plumbers (a sort of intergalactic police force) complex. DanMat6288 ( talk) 16:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Black people are reffered to as animals as well as niggers in this article. this is highly inappropriate and offensive.
Lame Deer said the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled." I remember an episode of The Simpsons with a statue that looks like the one with mount Rushmore, and it had a tree grow out of it's eye brow. Is it a reference to the staff? Lightblade 10:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Why was my appearances in popular culture addition, deleted? I wrote about Courage the Cowardly Dog and Dexter's Lab 68.48.141.3 00:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I have again removed almost every "appearance in popular culture" instance from the respective article section that doesn't link to an article that mentions Mount Rushmore in some way. As Walter Siegmund said above, hundreds of appearances in pop culture exist. Linking to everyone is not helpful to increase someone's understanding of Mount Rushmore (which is why I'd presume they are reading the article) when the next article makes no mention of Mount Rushmore. By contrast, when readers go to Deep Purple in Rock, for instance, the album cover there makes very clear the impact and cultural significance of Mount Rushmore, thereby informing the reader.
The one link I didn't remove is to the MAD TV issue, since there is an external link directly to a large image of the magazine cover and since Alfred E. Neuman is an extremely well-known face. This seems like a suitable exception.-- Chaser T 04:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
What I'm going to say is a long strech, but I recommend just making a whole new seperate article called "Mount Rushmore's appearences and impact on popular culture and link it on this article. Then there wouldn't have to be a debate on which appearances are more important. If anyone thinks this is a good or bad idea, just respond. Thanks 68.34.239.31 06:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
How about adding the Mount Carlmore reference in the Simpsons episode Half-Decent_Proposal? Cmdr Adeon 17:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Whats wrong with the reference to PnT Bullshit Show Episode ENTITLED Mount Rushmore about the ORIGINS OF MOUNT RUSHMORE. I guess because the show didn't mention Mt. Rushmore enough?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.82.93 ( talk) 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Would the Plumber complex under Mount Rushmore on Ben 10 qualify? Rushmore has played a key role in multiple episodes of the series, including "Secrets," "Truth", the "Ben 10,000" episodes, and "Ben 10 vs. The Negative 10." DanMat6288 ( talk) 14:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there a list of names of the men who helped construct Mt. Rushmore? In particular, I am wondering if any of them are still with us.-- Brianmccollum 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't "Borglum, was not a member of the Ku Klux Klan, as has been reported in many books and articles, and he had difficulties with the people who hired him to do the work in Georgia. Borglum learned of their Klan affiliation and ended his work with them. They were very angry with him for quitting and wanted him to stay to finish his contracted project but he refused. They tried to arrest him, he also became angry, and ended up destroying his sculptures, and left the state never to return." have a reference? Scottedwards2000 18:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
We have an image with caption "A model at the site depicting Mount Rushmore's intended final design". Why was the monument not completed? -- Doradus 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not american but what about this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=15sawR6t4b8&feature=related
seems like the monument was meant in some other way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.64.149.120 ( talk) 03:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the pic of Air Force One Jet flying over mt Rushmore don't belong. Can someone fix it? The Legend of G ( talk) 02:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone inform me why the photo of the model of the originally-planned design was deleted? I received explicit permission from the author of the photo to upload it onto Wikipedia and use it within this article. It would have been nice if someone had...you know...actually *ASKED* me to update the licensing information before deleting it. I would have been more than happy to do it, of course.
It's too bad because I felt that it was one of the more encyclopedic and interesting photos within this article. Great job on improving the quality of the article... -- mcshadypl T C 04:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
the intro says it attracts 2 mil a year, the link given doesnt say anything about how many people visit. In the info box it gives a figure from 2006 that is closer to 3 mil. Does no one check the sources given on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.172.58 ( talk) 15:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
"The carving started in 1927, and ended in 1941 with a few injuries but no deaths"
"Notably for a project of such size, no workers died during the carving"
Exact same thing, mentioned twice. Delete one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.205.43 ( talk) 20:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
How can you have an entry on this mountain without mentioning this? It's one of the most famous Hitchcock scenes. I understand why you might not want to mention its appearance in Team America etc, but Hitchcock is significant here. -- MacRusgail ( talk) 11:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
How about adding a photograph of the mountain taken before the sculpting began. Such a photgraph would be well over 70 years old and probably no longer copyrighted. Jimknut ( talk) 23:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
location;pennington county,south dakota. nearest city;keystone,south dakota established;march 3,1995 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.164.233.114 ( talk) 18:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
What movies have had Mount Rushmore altered with one or more future presidents? I seem to remember a black woman was added in some movie set in the year 2050 or something. 68.0.119.139 ( talk) 18:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that a few years ago there was a proposal to add Ronald Reagan to Mt. Rushmore? (Source: BBC News [2] -- notice that the BBC have managed to flip the photograph!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenSutherland ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is only a matter of time until Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan are added. However, that will require at least another 50 years since present day conservatives would block the first and liberals the last, with Truman opposed by both. Truth be told, Jackson should be up there too, but Native American sensitivities will forever bar him. -Sam Hogg, 8/3/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.92.173 ( talk) 15:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
"The Monument also holds controversy in the alleged idea of an underlying theme of racial superiority legitimized by the idea of Manifest Destiny. citation needed The mountains have been carved with Borglum's choice of four presidents active during the time of the acquisition of Indian land."
This unsourced statement should be removed if a citation is not added soon. Mainly cause I disagree with the whole ridiculous notion. Manifest Destiny was realized long ago, and America is what it is, love it or leave it. -- 64.149.41.61 ( talk) 22:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Since this article is semi-protected, I have a question about the peaceful takeover and renaming of Rushmore to Crazy Horse Mountain in 1970. According to what I have seen and heard, it was not only AIM members Dennis Banks and Russell Means, but also a group of United Native Americans led by Lehman Brightman. The 1970 NBC news video interviewing Brightman can be viewed here on Quanah Parker Brightman's YouTube channel. Quanah Parker Brightman is the son of Lehman. There are also photos of newspaper clippings posted on Quanah Parker Brightman's Facebook concerning the takeover. If necessary, I think I could acquire copies of the photos of the articles. Please let me know what the next step should be. Thanks! Atuuschaaw ( talk) 22:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 21:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone add (1867-1941) to the first mention of Gutzon's name in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballparkfm ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Mount Rushmore was made to represent some of U.S.A's most poppular presedents. It has George Washionton, Tomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Licoln all carved on mount rushmore. It is one of the United States most poplar visited sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.200.103 ( talk) 21:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Maintenance to Mount Rushmore. Part of me was rather curious about how this is accomplished, and the article is lacking in that department. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 21:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
The article says “The Lakota consider the hills sacred, although historians believe the Lakota also gained control of the hills by force, displacing the Cheyenne in 1776.” First of all, which historians? The reference doesn’t say. Second, it seems that the sentence is a straight paste from the reference. Jikybebna ( talk) 20:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
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I uploaded an image of Mount Rushmore from before it was carved into the modern monument. I'd like to add it to the article, but since it's already overloaded with images, I'm unsure as to the appropriate protocol in this situation. All the photos here currently seem appropriate, but we're still missing the "before" pic that I think is very important. I don't want to remove any other image, nor do I want to just toss it in there causing potentially major layout problems (whether right-side or left). If anyone more adept at this than me can do so, please add the image where appropriate.-- Tim Thomason 23:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The figure sited at the end of the first paragraph is not making sense to me. "The entire memorial covers 1,278.45 acres" Over a thousand acres? This cannot possibly be right. Perhaps it refers not to the memorial itself, but to national park that contains it? The page cited for that line has many statistical figures, but this ~1,200 acres figure is not on it anywhere. Gopher42 ( talk) 20:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi, The last sentence of this article reads, 'The North by Northwest appearance has itself been parodied in several venues.' To me, 'venues' means places or a building where something happens. There are no references to the venues concerned or what 'venues' means in context. Was a parody film made and shown in a few theatres? If someone could elucidate and correct that would be good Mondegreen de plume ( talk) 04:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
This article starts with: "Mount Rushmore National Memorial, near Keystone, South Dakota, is a monumental granite sculpture by Gutzon Borglum (1867–1941), located within the United States Presidential Memorial that represents the first 150 years of the history of the United States of America with 60-foot (18 m) sculptures of the heads of former United States presidents (left to right): George Washington (1732–1799), Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826), Theodore Roosevelt (1858–1919), and Abraham Lincoln (1809–1865).[1]" Perhaps someone with some modest skill as a writer should attempt to turn this junk into a proper sentence or three. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.172 ( talk) 18:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Why no mention of which 4 people were originally supposed to be? It's mentioned on the video at the site, why not here? I think Sitting Bull was one of them. -- 208.38.59.162 ( talk) 22:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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The article reads "After securing federal funding, construction on the memorial began in 1927, and the presidents' faces were completed between 1934 and 1939. Upon Gutzon Borglum's death in March 1941, his son Lincoln Borglum took over construction. Although the initial concept called for each president to be depicted from head to waist, lack of funding forced construction to end in late October 1941." This makes no sense. is was apparently completed between 1934 and 1939 (according to the article). it then later states (the article) that Gutzon died in 1941 and then his son took over and the carving was finished in October 1941. I am utterly confused. what are the actual dates? Nobletripe ( talk) 10:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
when it says "Although the initial concept called for each president to be depicted from head to waist, lack of funding forced construction to end in late October 1941." leave out the word "in". The word is not necessery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.93.111.63 ( talk) 16:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
The Entablature is rather poorly mentioned, in passing. It probably should be moved to the Construction article, along with more details on the redesign which happened due to Jefferson being moved. Plenty of info here: http://www.nps.gov/moru/planyourvisit/upload/history%20of%20the%20US.pdf -- SEWilco ( talk) 22:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Just a heads up: I've nominated File:Lincoln TLS scan data.jpg ( source) for deletion on Commons because it seems that it is not actually available under a Commons-compatible license. If I've missed something somewhere, please don't hesitate to chime in →→ here ←←. -- El Grafo ( talk) 15:19, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is usually thorough and complete in it's treatment of a topic; hence, I was disappointed that the debate as to whether or not to add a carving of Ronald Reagan to the mountain was not included in the article. I remember that being a significant topic of discussion shortly after Reagan's death; it was wrapped up by the Park Service saying that the granite in the mountain would not be able to support another carving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petercha ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
The article is missing any context for the photo showing what appears to be the sculpture with ink running some of the faces. Was this an act of vandalism or a photo manipulation? I refer to the image next to the controversy section. 136.159.160.5 ( talk) 21:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Ivan Houser, father of John Sherrill Houser, was assistant sculptor to Gutzon Borglum in the early years of carving; he began working with Borglum shortly after the inception of the monument and was with Borglum for a total of seven years. When Houser left Gutzon to devote his talents to his own work, Gutzon's son, Lincoln, took over as Assistant- sculptor to his father.
91.110.227.212 ( talk) 06:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
The original name of the sculpture is the "Shrine of Democracy." http://www.nww2m.com/2011/10/mount-rushmore-shrine-of-democracy/ It is mentioned nowhere in the Wikipedia entries for South Dakota or for Mount Rushmore; the latter our name for the geological formation. BubbleDine ( talk) 03:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I am trying to make sense of a passage and the use of a citation for a passage reading, "for the latest indigenous occupants.[20]" I was going to capitalize indigenous to be consistent and because it refers to a people not a plant or animal, but decided to read more from the web page citation. I see two problems with this as written: 1. "for" is not backed up; I don't see a verifiable argument that was the case. 2. Beyond that, the citation given does not, to my read, clearly identify the Kiowas as the latest indigenous occupants. From the cited source: "Sometime in the mid.eighteenth [sic] century, the Kiowas and culturally a.liated [sic] Plains Apaches migrated from the Yellowstone River region southeastward toward the Black Hills and befriended the Crows. Between 1775 and 1805 the Kiowas and Plains Apaches were pushed farther south of the Black Hills by Lakotas and Cheyennes." The work on the monument began in 1927. Given the narrative and facts elsewhere on the page, it appears the relevant Indigenous occupants were still the Lakota. I'm holding off on additional revision with hopes for discussion on this matter. Thank you. -- PaulThePony ( talk) 21:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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It appears that "the internet knows" that "the Sioux name" of Mt. Rushmore was "Six Grandfathers". But it turns out to be difficult to find a decent source for this which would provide us with a date (when was the name recorded) and the actual (Sioux language) form of the name.
Now, it appears (also without decent reference, e.g. not in McLaughlin 1916), that the "six grandfathers" are a concept in Sioux mythology, [3] so that the mountain would have been named after these mythological grandfathers. It furthermore appears that Black Elk considered himself (?) the "sixth grandfather", and our article claims that he travelled across this site (again, no year, no reference), so it seems plausible that the "Six Grandfathers" thing is some kind urban legend or journalistic artefact related to Black Elk. I wouldn't know, of course, because nobody bothered to cite their sources. -- dab (𒁳) 12:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
It's ugly to use the indigenous name to try to justify even more vandalism to their mountain. David ( talk) 14:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Since the monument is built on unceded Lakota land, I think it's important to give the mountain's real name (Six Grandfathers) at the very beginning. StarHOG rightly pointed out that my edit was redundant because the real name appears later in the intro as well. Would there be any objection to my restoring my mention of the name in the opening, then deleting the later mention? It's our usual pattern on Wikipedia to give local names in parentheses at the opening of an article, and since this is still a Lakota mountain (according to the treaty the US signed in 1868, as well as traditionally), we should provide their name in the opening, just like we would for a mountain in Switzerland. David ( talk) 14:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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I have edited a couple of things in the past. Tonight (2022/01/11) I made a hash of the "Mt Rushmore' page. I found a citation for the official naming of the Mt Rushmore in 1930 and edited in the link. I don't know how to remove the " citation needed " tag or how to add a superscript number tag and a corresponding number and description in the references.
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I count 5 categories with "Statues" in the name. These are sculptures of presidents, sure, but not statues... --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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I added a {{ clarify}} tag after this sentence in the intro as it just appears out of nowhere without any context. The part about "tribal representatives" is especially confusing, as the article doesn't mention anything about Native Americans being involved in the decision (and it seems very unlikely they would have been). There's also no mention in the lead of other locations that were considered, so stating that Mount Rushmore was "settled on" doesn't make sense here. The way it currently reads, it seems like maybe there was a sentence or paragraph before this that got deleted at some point. It seems very disjointed. Nosferattus ( talk) 01:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Why was there a big exposed hunk of granite towering over the landscape? Was it previously the core of a volcano, and the non-core eroded away? Thanks! Habanero-tan ( talk) 05:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
This page is a confusing mish-mash of information about Mount Rushmore (the actual mountain) and the monument that was carved into the mountain (the Mount Rushmore National Memorial). Would anyone object to splitting the two topics, which are separate and distinct, into their own pages with those names?
Examples:
- Mount Rushmore has its own geology and natural history. The history of the Mount Rushmore National Memorial starts with its ideation by humans.
- The discussion about the "Six Grandfathers" has nothing to do with the Memorial, and everything to do with the mountain.
- The process of generating support and funding for the memorial has little to do with the underlying mountain and its geology, flora and fauna, etc.
Similarly Separate Pages:
- The Eiffel Tower has its own page even though it was built on land in Paris, France.
- The Statue of Liberty has its own page separate from Liberty Island, on which it sits
There are other examples, but the point is the same: the Memorial is something that was carved into the mountain, but that doesn't make their existence the same. Wikipedia should correctly reflect these differences, IMHO.
Thoughts? Copiri ( talk) 17:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Could we come up with a more descriptive heading? All of the content in that section is about the Native Americans' relationship to the monument, including the final paragraph which isn't part of any controversy: In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role.
I imagine an editor put it there for lack of a better place and because of the Native American association.
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A University of Colorado at Boulder historian once said, “Gerard Baker is a person of great significance in the history of the American West.”[6] I have the greatest respect for the University of Colorado Boulder history department and I think Baker is a significant-enough aspect of modern Mount Rushmore to be mentioned in a sentence in the body of this Wikipedia article, but I don't think they should start carving his portrait just yet. Levivich ( talk) 04:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Should this edit Special:Diff/1146394431 be reinstated? Levivich ( talk) 22:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)