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I have two proposals of things to add to the article: that Hank Green of the vlogbrothers currently lives there and that it was the first ever city in the US to be declared nuclear free ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-free_zone#United_States). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:C440:20:1116:892D:FD93:E6FC:BF65 ( talk) 22:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Why do y’all hate him so much? He’s an innovative and influential entertainer, activist, and educator. Why are you so reluctant to acknowledge that he lives in your town? Starzajo ( talk) 00:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing that I've made the Infrastructure section too long. Before certain people begin deleting broad swaths of it as certain editors have a tendency to do, I'm suggesting that the section be made into its own separate page and summarized here. I'll nominate myself to do it since, well, I'm pretty sure no one else will. I plan on fixing the other sections first though (Except for Economy, of course. That'll left for the self-declared experts) because I'm tired of looking at it for now. Of course, I'm open to any other suggestions.
this diff is the former and current version of the highways section, preserving the refs if someone wanted to take them elsewhere. I rather boldly chopped this down because it really was a bit excessive; I kept that all the highways exist, a bit of minor trivia about each IF it was relevant to Missoula, and really, most of the rest should go into the articles on the respective highways. I also tossed all the stuff on the exits and which road goes where, because I doubt anyone is really going to care, and absent a map, it isn't helpful to a tourist, JMO. Hope this edit is viewed as being in good faith, I was concerned we had a WP:UNDUE problem here, as well as a slightly flowery, encyclopedic tone. Montanabw (talk) 23:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Here are some resources for whomever plans on doing the Economy section. Not all go to the municipal area and simply consider the Missoula MSA. Good luck.
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Hi, I think there should at least be an Asterisk next to the city and county population estimates. I have seen other cities around the world add this because even when a college is out (in most cases I have seen) students seem to stay within the college's residing city, making the estimate larger. What I would like to see:
city- 68,788 *(84,430- See details)
Metro- 109,299 *(124,941- See details)
Something like this would make me very happy if anyone can help or respond it would be great.. as it has been bugging me tremendously.. Thanks
ATOTHEJPiano ( talk)
Census numbers are census numbers. That's what we need to use. Montanabw (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think you understand what I am trying to say.. I am saying to use both figures.. of course we need to keep the 2010 census estimate; But why not basically add a notice saying: 68,788 is the population of the city- (but when the students of the university are added, it is 84,430). I just want people to see demographic change when students are enrolled in the University. We don't have to change the number on the demographic chart's.. just add something to show that the University is Missoula's base for growth. Can someone at least add a small section about this... I think its worth noting.
ATOTHEJPiano ( talk) 22:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
you don't seem to realize that most of the students are already counted in the 2010 census totals for the city and metro area. http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2010/resid_rules/resid_rules.html In other words, the students are factored into the population of the city. without the students factored in Missoula’s population would be closer to 52,000 and the metro area closer to 94,000.
Missoulianette ( talk) 00:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Like others alluded to above, the census is a snapshot in time where they (theoretically anyway) ask everyone in the country where their primary residence was on a specific day. The primary residence of all full-time college students at UM would either be in or around Missoula (minus the few who commute from East Missoula or Frenchtown, the student population has already been counted). Dsetay ( talk) 12:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I hope this does not make anyone upset, but I changed the population numbers to official census estimates. I know they are estimates, but I always feel obligated to update the estimates as soon as they are revealed to the public. It is just an update. Please do not get upset. Thanks,
Missoulian ( talk) 00:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I think somewhere in the article (more likely under Infrastructure), it should list some significant feature's of Missoula's architecture history, and present day look. anyone else have a thought on this subject? Like I said earlier, I think it could be added under "Infrastructure" and then underneath "City layout and development". Missoulian ( talk) 23:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reason this page is again being inundated with lists and too many pictures that took months to get rid of in the first place? Please don't try to turn this in the Billings page with a Points of Interest tour-guide field. That page is crap, remember. Dsetay ( talk) 20:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I have not been active for the Missoula Wikipedia page for quite some time (5-6 months). I like editing pages on Wikipedia but it takes time and effort (most people know this). I just wanted to throw the idea of creating a collage for the main Wikipedia picture. We as a community have considered this before, but ultimately never went through with it. I am still really interested in doing so. Let me know what others think. Thanks,
Missoulian ( talk) 22:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, I have recently taken some good photos of Missoula and the surrounding area. They include Downtown and several neighborhoods, parks, and outlying areas. I have also taken some photos of landmarks (including the Wilma Building, the XXXX's. the carousel, the mall, etc.) I will post several collages and see what everyone thinks, and ask for suggestions on what might be improved. I will post them within a week from this post. Thanks,
Missoulian ( talk) 02:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone I have finally finished some sample collages that I think are suitable to become the Front page picture for our Missoula article. Let me know your opinion's and hopefully you all like them, if you have suggestions on what could be improved please tell me. All the photos in the collage(s) were taken by myself today (the 27th of April).
Missoulian ( talk) 00:53, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Those look good, nice job! Myself I like the one with the courthouse the best. Missoula Dude ( talk) 02:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Al for now. Montanabw (talk) 22:49, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I will continue to make some new collages with the suggestions you had in mind. Thanks for the overall positive feedback so far... I will get some more samples uploaded within a few days.
Missoulian ( talk) 16:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
In my free time I created this collage based on User:Montanabw suggestions... let me know what you think.
Missoulian ( talk) 04:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Here is my final attempt to please everyone... I have made 4 more collages based off suggestions given, and hopefully we can decide on Missoula's new front page picture.
I personally like the 5th collage the best, as it showcases many different parts of town, while staying within 8 total images. My personal second favorite is the 7th or 8th. Let me know your opinions and hopefully we can decide unanimously.
Missoulian ( talk) 01:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
The building which you are referring to is the Broadway building a part of St. Patrick hospital near the outskirts of downtown. It was a pretty miraculous building for Montana standards when it was built in 2002. It has 8 total stories with two underground floors for parking and hosts over 685,000 sq. feet of usable space (all medical use). I have always thought it was a neat addition to the skyline of Missoula. I like the current layout and will continue to make more collages over the next few weeks. I will post them when I get a chance, but I am glad most of us like the current photo we are using.
Missoulian ( talk) 02:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Several edits that I made were reverted by Montanabw. I don't think they should've been undone and rather than start an edit war I decided to create this talk section. Should the most recent edit by zzomtceo be kept or removed. I think that it provided relevant information about people from Missoula. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzomtceo ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
These links are to three people who have put videos on YouTube. Nothing notable about them, I'm surprised their articles haven't already been AfD'd. What is WP:NOTABLE about them? Montanabw (talk) 00:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
They have acquired a sizable following, and are (at least in the case of Hank Green) very influential 173.241.124.178 ( talk) 00:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
I guess they don't qualify for the main page. But there's no way they qualify for AfD. Zzomtceo ( talk) 01:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please look at linking to this orphaned article? Gbawden ( talk) 08:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
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done) 16:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)(Moved from user talk) Regarding the climate data to Missoula, I had to edit the climate box for a couple of reasons and undid your edit. First the precipitation data is slightly off. For example in the previous revision the May and October precipitation should be 2.01 inches and 0.88 inches respectively, not 2.00 inches and 0.89 inches. Secondly in the NowData source which has data on the normals, they updated the website a year ago and unfortunately removed information regarding average days with precipitation and snowy days. That's why I introduced this source for those values (you can see the readme file) to know how to interpret the data. Both of them display normals, not averages and have the same values as each other. Lastly, if you look up the WMO climatological normals for this location, sunshine hours are recorded as mean monthly sunshine hours only. HKO is incorrect in taking these values and converting them into daily hours, which introduces rounding errors. Plus, the source allows the sunshine data to be easily verified. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 00:05, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I have recently edited the weather box in the last couple of days but it has been reverted twice in a row. I placed 2 weather boxes below, which contain the same data but with different positions of the parameters (eg. the record high fields goes after the normal low temps) to indicate whether it makes a difference or not. The first one is the original one before my edit while the second one is similar to the first one except that I moved the record high field to the top part and excess whitespace was removed. No data was changed in both versions and the sunshine data has been removed since it is not necessary in this discussion. Both of these have the same data before I made some minor changes to the data. This is to show whether this makes a difference or not based on the claim that "The problem is that placing the record highs first on the chart skews the numbers to make it appear that is the average" as mentioned by User:Montanabw in one of his/her edits. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 17:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Climate data for Missoula, Montana ( Missoula Airport), 1981–2010 normals | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Record high °F (°C) | 60 (16) |
66 (19) |
78 (26) |
90 (32) |
95 (35) |
102 (39) |
107 (42) |
105 (41) |
99 (37) |
85 (29) |
73 (23) |
60 (16) |
107 (42) |
Mean daily maximum °F (°C) | 33.2 (0.7) |
38.8 (3.8) |
49.8 (9.9) |
58.5 (14.7) |
67.3 (19.6) |
75.2 (24.0) |
85.9 (29.9) |
84.9 (29.4) |
73.1 (22.8) |
57.8 (14.3) |
41.5 (5.3) |
31.0 (−0.6) |
58.1 (14.5) |
Mean daily minimum °F (°C) | 18.3 (−7.6) |
21.2 (−6.0) |
27.7 (−2.4) |
32.8 (0.4) |
39.8 (4.3) |
46.6 (8.1) |
51.4 (10.8) |
50.1 (10.1) |
41.8 (5.4) |
32.4 (0.2) |
24.9 (−3.9) |
16.7 (−8.5) |
33.6 (0.9) |
Record low °F (°C) | −33 (−36) |
−28 (−33) |
−13 (−25) |
2 (−17) |
21 (−6) |
26 (−3) |
25 (−4) |
25 (−4) |
15 (−9) |
−4 (−20) |
−23 (−31) |
−30 (−34) |
−33 (−36) |
Average precipitation inches (mm) | 0.84 (21) |
0.70 (18) |
0.99 (25) |
1.22 (31) |
2.00 (51) |
2.07 (53) |
0.99 (25) |
1.19 (30) |
1.17 (30) |
0.87 (22) |
1.01 (26) |
1.04 (26) |
14.09 (358) |
Average snowfall inches (cm) | 9.3 (24) |
6.5 (17) |
5.6 (14) |
1.3 (3.3) |
0.2 (0.51) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0.6 (1.5) |
5.4 (14) |
10.7 (27) |
39.5 (100) |
Average precipitation days (≥ 0.01 in) | 11.8 | 9.4 | 11.4 | 11.1 | 12.3 | 12.1 | 7.1 | 7.5 | 8.2 | 8.4 | 11.1 | 12.3 | 122.7 |
Average snowy days (≥ 0.1 in) | 9.4 | 6.9 | 5.2 | 1.7 | 0.3 | 0.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.9 | 5.3 | 9.7 | 39.5 |
Source: extremes (1893–2015 [update]): NOAA; [1] [2] |
Climate data for Missoula, Montana ( Missoula Airport), 1981–2010 normals | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Record high °F (°C) | 60 (16) |
66 (19) |
78 (26) |
90 (32) |
95 (35) |
102 (39) |
107 (42) |
105 (41) |
99 (37) |
85 (29) |
73 (23) |
60 (16) |
107 (42) |
Mean daily maximum °F (°C) | 33.2 (0.7) |
38.8 (3.8) |
49.8 (9.9) |
58.5 (14.7) |
67.3 (19.6) |
75.2 (24.0) |
85.9 (29.9) |
84.9 (29.4) |
73.1 (22.8) |
57.8 (14.3) |
41.5 (5.3) |
31.0 (−0.6) |
58.1 (14.5) |
Mean daily minimum °F (°C) | 18.3 (−7.6) |
21.2 (−6.0) |
27.7 (−2.4) |
32.8 (0.4) |
39.8 (4.3) |
46.6 (8.1) |
51.4 (10.8) |
50.1 (10.1) |
41.8 (5.4) |
32.4 (0.2) |
24.9 (−3.9) |
16.7 (−8.5) |
33.6 (0.9) |
Record low °F (°C) | −33 (−36) |
−28 (−33) |
−13 (−25) |
2 (−17) |
21 (−6) |
26 (−3) |
25 (−4) |
25 (−4) |
15 (−9) |
−4 (−20) |
−23 (−31) |
−30 (−34) |
−33 (−36) |
Average precipitation inches (mm) | 0.84 (21) |
0.70 (18) |
0.99 (25) |
1.22 (31) |
2.00 (51) |
2.07 (53) |
0.99 (25) |
1.19 (30) |
1.17 (30) |
0.87 (22) |
1.01 (26) |
1.04 (26) |
14.09 (358) |
Average snowfall inches (cm) | 9.3 (24) |
6.5 (17) |
5.6 (14) |
1.3 (3.3) |
0.2 (0.51) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0.6 (1.5) |
5.4 (14) |
10.7 (27) |
39.5 (100) |
Average precipitation days (≥ 0.01 in) | 11.8 | 9.4 | 11.4 | 11.1 | 12.3 | 12.1 | 7.1 | 7.5 | 8.2 | 8.4 | 11.1 | 12.3 | 122.7 |
Average snowy days (≥ 0.1 in) | 9.4 | 6.9 | 5.2 | 1.7 | 0.3 | 0.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.9 | 5.3 | 9.7 | 39.5 |
Source: extremes (1893–2015 [update]): NOAA; [1] [2] |
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"(T)he Mullan Military Road, which ran perpendicular to the northern bank of the Clark Fork River. Through downtown Missoula, the route of the road is now Front Street."
Looking at a map, Front Street is parallel, not perpendicular. Is there some reason it's being called "perpendicular" that isn't obvious, or did the writer make a mistake on geometry?
Shawn D. ( talk) 13:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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