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Section sizes Section size for Misogyny (38 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 2,724 2,724 Definitions 8,576 8,576 Origins 2,584 2,584 Historical usage 23 11,580 Classical Greece 8,180 8,180 English language 3,377 3,377 Religion 67 11,474 Ancient Greek 1,225 1,225 Buddhism 1,393 1,393 Christianity 5,055 5,055 Islam 2,789 2,789 Sikhism 945 945 Misogynistic ideas among prominent Western thinkers 1,422 9,928 Aristotle 2,143 2,143 Jean-Jacques Rousseau 807 807 Arthur Schopenhauer 2,854 2,854 Nietzsche 1,626 1,626 Hegel 1,076 1,076 Violence 16 2,003 Terrorism and hate crimes 1,987 1,987 Online misogyny 2,737 10,400 Coordinated attacks 1,368 1,368 Language used 2,194 2,194 Incels 2,818 2,818 With white supremacy 1,283 1,283 Psychological impact 28 1,433 Internalised misogyny 516 516 Abuse and harassment 889 889 Feminist theory 23 8,615 "Good" versus "bad" women 4,446 4,446 Patriarchal bargain 1,187 1,187 Contempt for the feminine 2,959 2,959 English and Welsh law 4,659 4,659 Criticism of the concept 1,271 1,271 See also 361 361 Notes and references 40 40 Bibliography 2,044 2,044 External links 400 400 Total 78,092 78,092

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The following sources contain public domain or freely licensed material that may be incorporated into this article: Sugiura, Lisa (2021). "Legitimising Misogyny". The Incel Rebellion: The Rise of the Manosphere and the Virtual War Against Women. Bingley, England: Emerald Publishing Limited. pp. 97–115. doi: 10.1108/978-1-83982-254-420211008. ISBN  978-1-83982-257-5. ‌

It is shameful that misogyny has been doctored to fit into the current agenda based environment that seeks to change the meaning of all things to serve the liberal ideological scamp. How did LGTB get added to the definition when in essence it has nothing to do with the term and is only inclusive as a means to serving an agenda. Sad people. Sad. 174.232.152.3 ( talk) 17:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC) reply

Welcome to Wikipedia, circa 2023. 2002:620D:3AF:0:E5E8:B957:E689:5485 ( talk) 23:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC) reply

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad. "Liberal agenda"??? Go back to conservapedia 😂 Ocemccool ( talk) 12:11, 16 March 2023 (UTC) reply

to see you is coming today is good luck. Hi I m no a woman 2600:1012:B108:5137:AC45:C431:8071:4387 ( talk) 04:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I would have used different wording, but he's absolutely right. This entire article has an extremely feminist slant. That's for good reason, but we should have other ethical ideas about misogyny beyond the feminist one, don't you think? Ncfishy ( talk) 06:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC) reply

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Delete this line: Misandry is a minor issue, not equivalent to the widespread practice and extensive history of misogyny

Reason: Misandry is a widely practiced prejudice today, easily as prevalent as Misogyny. White men have become the bane, the object of scorn all across today's socialized world. It's happened in a few short years, but now is widely practiced and advertised. This article reinforces all the old stereotypes, and hasn't been updated to include the new hate-white-men phenomenon, blaming them for all the wrongs of society. This article is inherently racist and misandristic, and is further proof of the hate-white-men syndrome which plagues today's media and this wikipedia article. Gloria77g ( talk) 03:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC) reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• The suggested change goes against every scholarly source we have. Scholars who research this issue agree that women are greatly harmed by misogyny while misandry is a minor complaint associated with antifeminists. Binksternet ( talk) 04:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Thus you support misogyny. You see this is simple. EITHER one treats people on merit - respecting any issues of both sexes - OR one sees sexes as inherently warring parties which should NOT be treated on merit. You post, as the cited line, is a prime case of belittling someone else's issues, aka a prime case of misandry. You see, Misogyny and Misandry are two sides of the same *War of Sexes* approach to the topic. Your argument that "Ah, it is published that *only one party is waging the WAR* (false, but lets presume for a sec), THUS using a WP article as a weapon of that war courtesy of POV-pushing is justified.". Sorry. It is not.

One either considers the "War of Sexes" a fundamentally wrong concept or one supports it. You are clearly the one who wants to WIN that war, not stop it. Thus you are firstly unqualified to comment courtesy of being a party of the conflict. Secondly, you are deconstructing your own message by presenting that "The War is good as long as I get to be the one shooting". Well. News. That entitles the ones on the other site to shoot as well. And they had bigger guns historically. But well, your posistion is a nice representation why WP is becoming the swamp slowely but surely. We, the civilised people, just need to move on and let you enjoy your dark ages reborn. Enjoy! 145.224.105.244 ( talk) 11:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC) reply

You are pushing a false balance, that complaints by men and complaints by women have the same value. In this case, they don't; the women have been mashed down into a subservient role for several thousand years at least. Their problems are much more pervasive. Men have been the dominant sex for just as long; their problems are comparatively trivial. Binksternet ( talk) 13:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Hey Binksternet. First of all, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I can see you are a very experienced Wikipedia editor, so I will respect your conclusions.

Instead of removing the sentence, how about we keep it, but add clarity to it. So instead of "Misandry is a minor issue, not equivalent to the widespread practice and extensive history of misogyny" it becomes "Misandry is a minor issue compared to the widespread practice and extensive history of misogyny". I think the second sentence provides a clearer and more direct comparison between misandry and misogyny, making it more clear for conveying the intended message. What do you think? Empathy Heart ( talk) 13:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Part of the problem of misandry is that MRMs try to position it as equivalent to misogyny. The wording of "not equivalent" was chosen to counter that false balance explicitly. Your wording suggestion is more concise, but I would rather include the "not equivalent" bit. Binksternet ( talk) 16:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC) reply

The issue is that in this section every other sentence is descriptive and objective, while this is subjective and relative. The paragraph for other terms denotes usage and meaning, while this arbitrary line does nothing of the sort. Calling it a minor issue has absolutely nothing to do with the definition and use case and is nothing but a viewpoint insert. It's also not presented in an objective way like the rest of the section which provides direct quotes on scholarly opinions, citing the sources. You even say it yourself - this phrasing was chosen to counter another's narrative with your own.

Furthermore, if you're concerned about citing scholarly sources, then you should want this removed as the reference is to "A Medieval Compendium of Women's Medicine" which has nothing to do with the topic. It's absurd that this line remains. I can't for the life of me understand why you would run to its defense when asked to remove an out of place, poorly sourced, useless sentence. 2001:569:BF10:E000:6064:FC69:39FC:C0F2 ( talk) 06:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC) reply

As far as I'm aware, a significant portion of feminist writers argue that patriarchy oppresses men as well, and that feminism has to work to liberate them. It would be quite strange of them to hold this view while simultaneously minimising the severity of misandry. As such, I don't believe it's appropriate to minimise the severity of misandry in wikivoice. The article should instead reflect that this topic is controversial. Dieknon ( talk) 23:28, 1 September 2023 (UTC) reply

This aptly links to the idea of diwalisexual, the sexual attraction solely towards people of the hindu religion, most popular amongst men. There have been attacks on people expressing their diwalisexual selves.

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Remove the feminist thought section about rejecting qualities in men that are unmanly and 'womanly hobbies'. This is not correct for this theory as it is about equality and will cause damage to the concept of feminism from men's opinions. Unnece ( talk) 16:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@Unnece I have never heard a scholar say that men can be victim misogyny. The source is backing up the claim is an opinion piece, and I think that it is WP:UNDUE for this article to apply the opinion to all feminism. Panamitsu (talk) ^{Please ping on reply} 21:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@Unnece Not done as there are multiple sources that back up the claim, although I feel as if the lead paragraph gives these thoughts too much weight. Panamitsu (talk) ^{Please ping on reply} 21:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC) reply

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{ Edit semi-protected}} template. Additionally, please provide reliable sources to support this proposed change, should consensus be reached. -- Pinchme123 ( talk) 03:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC) reply

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Hannahsooter ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Katewun.

— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz ( talk) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Great and very important entry, thanks to all those who have worked so hard.

One query: the first two named quotations that define the term 'misogyny' are by male academics eg Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood. In the following section there are two women cited on the subject and one man. This means the dominant citations by name in the first paras are three men and two women.

Perhaps the first two citations could be women not men? eg I would suggest Catharine MacKinnon whose book Are Women Human is replete with definitions. And any other number of key feminist scholars. there's a very good article from 2017 by Kalpana Srivastava, Suprakash Chaudury, P.S. Bhat and Samiksha Sahu which also expands the discussion to a less western-centric view as well.

Nothing - whatsoever - against Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood who are clearly part of the solution not the problem and doing great academic work.

Many thanks.

MiloQuest ( talk) 07:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC) reply

The lead says It is a form of sexism that is used to keep women at a lower social status than men. This looks all good, but I'm unsure about the "used to" part. It is to my understanding that a lot of misogyny is subconscious (eg internalised sexism), rather than done on purpose ("used to"). With this in mind, should we remove the "used to" part? So that sentence would look something like It is a form of sexism that keeps women at a lower social status than men — Panamitsu (talk) 06:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I agree. The word "keeps" is broader, more concise, and clearer than "used to keep" or, in my opinion, than "can keep." Jno.skinner ( talk) 06:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Jno.skinner I think there may have been a misunderstanding as you've referenced this talk page when changing "can keep" to "keeps", but I was discussing whether we should change "is used to keep" to "keeps" (i ended up changing it to "can keep".

I've reverted youl change but am happy to keep it with your wording if you re-add it. The reason I prefer the "can keep" wording is that it is context dependent. For example, misogyny can happen toward female healthcare professionals but they still end up having a higher social status compared to male healthcare workers. — Panamitsu (talk) 06:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC) reply