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Warm summer Mediterranean
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Unseen warm summer Mediterranean places are usually overall wetter than their hot summer counterparts.
דולב חולב (
talk) 01:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think a generalization of that sort can be made. Even warmer Csa climates can be very wet, like
Antalya.
Uness232 (
talk) 02:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s true Antalya is relatively wet, but warm summer Mediterranean climate places are much wetter like
Redwood ,
Porto is very wet in a way that I’ve never seen in the hot summer subtype,
Portland and more
Seattle,
Braga and their grounds are more humid supporting forests and not only shrubs. That’s also something we should add.
דולב חולב (
talk) 02:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Whether a region supports shrubs or forests as its vegetation depends on not just precipitation but also the temperature patterns and the length of dry season. Csb locations in
Pacific Northwest have short dry season and colder wintres than typical Mediterranean cities.
Most Csb locations are wet, but not all of them,
Ávila in central Spain is far from being wet, still qualifies for Csb. Cape Town is Csb but has less than 600 mm precip, while Naples is close to 1000mm. Victoria in British Columbia is Csb but with 600mm of Precip.
As Uness stated, we cannot generalize such argument that Csb cities are wetter than Csa cities in a borad term. It would be a case of
Wikipedia:OR.
PAper GOL (
talk) 08:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok… you gave some great examples, but still most of the Csb cities i seen are pretty wet, and the Csa cities are not as wet.
but in terms of vegetation, Csb always supports more trees and not only shrubs or mostly shrubs like the Csa.
דולב חולב (
talk) 11:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
They are both shrubs, while the Bay laurel is an evergreen and the and the Buckeyes is a flowering plant.
Every source calls them a large shrub or a small tree, but I think if we would take the 10 meters designation, and other features, it is more of a shrub.
Other Aesculus are trees, but not the ones found in the Mediterranean climate.דולב חולב (
talk) 15:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Fruit “trees“
On the paragraph of fruit trees, you wrote grapes, which are obviously not trees, and olives which are commonly mistaken for trees, but are actually shrubs. I suggest you to write Fruit plants , instead of the word trees.
דולב חולב (
talk) 15:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I live in a Cs- like region and here Olive plants are definitly trees. dont know about grapes though.
PAper GOL (
talk) 20:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Grapes are definitely not trees, same for olives
דולב חולב (
talk) 14:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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דולב חולב Neither the word tree nor the word shrub are strictly defined, and choosing an arbitrary line to delineate them is not helpful. Olives may not fit your definition of tree, but they do fit most colloquial and technical definitions, and are very rarely called an 'olive shrub'. This is also the case in most Mediterranean countries, where the word 'tree' is embedded into the word for the olive plant (see Greek ελαιόδεντρο and Turkish zeytin ağacı).
Uness232 (
talk) 14:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s because those countries aren’t featuring a lot of real tall trees. But from what I’ve learned, the 10 meters definition is well agreed upon.
דולב חולב (
talk) 14:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No real tall trees in Turkey??!
And olives are 100% trees in my homeland. I know what I saw. They are called olive trees all the time.
PAper GOL (
talk) 14:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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דולב חולב Both Greece and Turkey do indeed have areas with a proper, tall forest canopy, and as Paper GOL implied, this is most apparent in Turkey. Even if we don't count the
temperate rainforest stretching across the northern part of the country,
heavy winter rainfall in much of Aegean and Mediterranean Turkey permits growth of forests dominated by
Pinus brutia, a tree with a
canopy above 30m in primary forests. Furthermore, due to the rather sharp gradient between marine and continental climates in Turkey (unlike Spain, for example); transitional regions where forest landscapes are not possible but olives can be grown are incredibly rare, only really appearing in primary form in and around rain-shadowed areas near the coast (see
Mersin). See the maps included in
this paper for the unique state of Turkey compared to Spain or Greece.
The 10 meter definition is one definition out of many, which is why the
Olive article describes the plant as "a small tree of shrub".
Uness232 (
talk) 22:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Grevillea
As for Grevillea, if you’re talking about
Grevillea striata , so yes it’s are a tree.
but Grevillea striata isn’t common in those regions. All of the other Grevillea plants common in a Mediterranean climate, aren’t trees.דולב חולב (
talk) 15:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wording
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Uness232 if the problem with my edit is only a matter of wording, than I’d love if you could do it yourself.
דולב חולב (
talk) 14:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's also a matter of sourcing, along with questionable need for such a statement.
Uness232 (
talk) 00:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply