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On 22 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be
moved to
LAFC. The result of
the discussion was not moved.
Requested move 13 November 2015
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The result of the move request was: not moved, primarily due to common name and consistency concerns. Ambiguity concerns were largely dismissed.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:15, 20 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose "
Los Angeles Football Club" should be a disambiguation page, there being the soccer club
LA Galaxy that's famously been in the news with Beckham as the only recognizable soccer team in LA to most Americans, and the
LA Rams and
LA Raiders which most Americans would assume the article is about --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 06:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Mild Support "
Los Angeles Football Club" appears to be the common name to this point, with no need for a DAB page. Given that the Rams and Raiders haven't been in the LA area for over 20 years now, any confusion can be addressed by a hatnote. If Los Angeles FC proves to be the common name in the future, then it can be moved back. -
BilCat (
talk) 07:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Mild Support I have no opinion re: "Los Angeles FC" vs. "Los Angeles Football Club", but I agree with
BilCat that the potential for ambiguity between this page and that of the LA Galaxy seems relatively small. As for any confusion with any past or future NFL team located in the LA area that seems even more remote since most American football franchises are not typically referred to as "clubs". I would think a hatnote including the Galaxy, the Rams, the Raiders (and any future LA-based NFL team should the
Chargers perhaps relocate) would be sufficient to redirect the occasional stray user who stumbled upon
Los Angeles Football Club while looking for something else. —
DeeJayK (
talk) 19:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose We use
WP:COMMONNAME, not necessarily official names. At this point, "los angeles football club" has 400 hits
[1] which "los angeles FC" has 5000
[2] in Google News. As the club won't play until 2018, maybe branding will cause the common name to change by then, but not right now.—
Bagumba (
talk) 20:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose based on COMMONNAME and consistency - almost all football club articles use the FC/F.C. abbreviation.
Number57 16:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose for now. I have seen no sources to support either side, and I doubt that there are a lot now anyhow. We don't need to move on whims. Other MLS teams with FC in their name are not at "Football Club".
Walter Görlitz (
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Ownership
The current edition has four owners, sourced from an expired page on the website in 2014. It's now
this, but I'm confused as to why Ferrell and Shapiro have no "Owner" tag on their profile?
'''tAD''' (
talk) 01:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)reply
More about the name...
The name of the organization is "Los Angeles Football Club" with the name spelled out. The only official abbreviation is "LAFC." "Los Angeles FC" is an unofficial abbreviation, and is not the name of the club. The title of the club's Wikipedia main page ought to be "Los Angeles Football Club."
Timothy Horrigan (
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Shall I continue? The article usually does not use the full name, but the common name, and we simply list the full name in the template.
Walter Görlitz (
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It has become clear that the common name is LAFC not Los Angeles FC. While a page move is not necessary, I have changed the infobox heading to reflect this.
Where the club is listed as LAFC or Los Angeles Football Club (and never as Los Angeles FC):
According to the template parameters at
Template:Infobox football club, the |clubname= parameter is for the "The commonly-used name of the club", which at this point is LAFC, not Los Angeles FC. --
TrailBlzr (
talk) 19:09, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
BTW: The first link is their own site, but it never shows in plain text, you have to look at the HTML in the page, which is generated by the league.
Walter Görlitz (
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Any search query with the words "Los Angeles" will produce more results for reasons that should be obvious; it's called a false positive. These results mean nothing. –
TrailBlzr (
talk) 21:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Which is why I didn't search for "Los Angeles". Please check the search terms before commenting.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 21:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC)reply
That's not correct. Because the term is quoted, it will only find matches of the entire string. If it matched on sub-strings then "LAFC" would also match on "LA", but that's not how forced searches work. However, I will reconsider my stance if you can find entries in the first search that include "Los Angeles" but not "Los Angeles FC". I just ran through the lists, and even they got them wrong. The first returns 111 results while the second returns 128 results, several of which are "
Cardiff Met Lafc".
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 22:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Sentences like "LA Galaxy defeated FC Cincinnati in Los Angeles" come up over and over again in your search; these are false positives.
TrailBlzr (
talk) 18:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Not in the searches I linked. Possibly in searches that you yourself are running.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 19:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
I highly doubt that, since
the phrase doesn't appear anywhere on the internet and furthermore the Galaxy have never played FC Cincinnati at home, nor played their home games in the City of Los Angeles (they currently play in Carson and previously played in Pasadena.) I'm trying to assume good faith here, but I don't know where you could have come up with that impression.
Smartyllama (
talk) 19:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - just by giving both LA articles a brief look, it would seem that the analogy to LA Galazy is flawed. The image used in the inbox for one has the full name, while for the other it has the "short" name. I see no reason at all to use short "fan" names for sports teams. --
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GiantSnowman 10:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - 'LAFC' is a nickname used by lazy journalists, it's not the proper or common name - hence we we also don't have articles on
Man Utd or
Spurs (football club) etc.
GiantSnowman 10:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above, and we need to avoid acronym blended names.
Govvy (
talk) 11:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose No different than
Man U,
Man City,
NYC FC, etc. A redirect is appropriate, but that's it. 18:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Redirect has been in-place since 2019-03-22T09:33:43 when "TrailBlzr moved page LAFC to LAFC (disambiguation) over redirect". For the record, TheBigJagielka created the first version of this article on 2014-10-30T17:50:30 as Los Angelese Football Club.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 20:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per other opposes.
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Los Angeles FC → LAFC – It's the official name. Los Angeles FC isn't commonly used (Except perhaps by echoing the current Wikipedia page name). Reference:
original MLS announcement,
team's website, Google searches narrowed to site:lafc.com. Also see below for links to documents of their legal entity name (LAFC SPORTS).
Yurmix (
talk) 06:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Other name options: Another option is Los Angeles Football Club which is also a valid name, although less commonly used. It is on the club's logo and usually being used as an alternative name. You will find it in use on the
MLS website but less often on the club's own website and their other media channels (Twitter, etc). I like this option less due to its length.
Oppose We use the official names for all other teams. For instance,
Arsenal F.C. rather than simply Arsenal,
Real Madrid CF rather than Real Madrid,
Paris Saint-Germain F.C. rather than Paris Saint-Germain or PSG. I could continue, but based on the previous move requests, I think we have a consensus that this is the correct target for the article.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 08:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Forgot this: legal entities are also not usually used for club names so appealing to what name they used for their corporate filing would set an unusual precedent. Many modern clubs have a legal, corporate entity and the clubs are not known by those names.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 20:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Walter Görlitz. Acronyms and nicknames are not used here on Wikipedia as article titles.
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GiantSnowman 16:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose as above. Ludicrous nomination.
GiantSnowman 16:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)reply
One could argue for the long term (Los Angeles Football Club) but wouldn't it be too long, and contradictory to almost all offical material on the club's website? (lafc.com).
The name mispell is eye scorching to anyone closely farmiliar with the club, probably why this discussion arose 3 time by different people.
Yurmix (
talk) 10:07, 23 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Your argument is that it should be Los Angeles Football Club, but you have supported a proposal to move it to LAFC, which you argue against in your first point. We do not use "official names" but
WP:COMMONNAMEs for article location. I think you're quite confused by the whole process. We have been shown what the media refer to it as.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 00:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Britannica uses "
Los Angeles Football Club" and while we generally use just "FC" we shouldn't generally abbreviate the rest of the name. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 10:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)reply
It seems there is a strong concensus against this rename. I don't mind if you close this discussion. I will thoroughly study
WP:AT before making a request for Los Angeles Football Club. Thank you for this lesson.
Yurmix (
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The result of the move request was: No consensus. In a result sure to make no one happy, there was no consensus about what the common name even is, let alone whether to follow it or not. Sources actually seem to prefer LAFC, a title that wasn't initially proposed. If people want to move the article there, my strong suggestion is a new requested move. (
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RedSlash 22:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
It is the club name according the
MLS Clubs official page.
Ten other clubs (1/3 of the league) has FC in their name in
MLS Clubs - not Los Angeles Football Club.
WP:CRITERIA: It is the recognized name (as described in #1); More natural (as described in #2); Precise given there is a better known rival named
LA Galaxy.
For the record, the
LA Rams are Los Angeles' football club. LAFC is one of their soccer clubs. It's all marketing.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 18:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't agree that the club is rebrainding, It has always been LAFC / Los Angeles Football Club since the [
club's beginning]. Regarding the evidence you present,
ESPN (The leading US sports website) does show LAFC. It is on par with my knowledge on the team (as a club member since 2017). Please help me fix this mistake and battle
Reliability_of_Wikipedia#Information_loop.
Yurmix (
talk) 19:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose move. Their common name is Los Angeles FC. O.N.R.(talk) 19:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Los Angeles FC is not the common name. As per
WP:COMMONNAME: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used. The most commonly used name is LAFC, which is the acronym for Los Angeles Football Club, which is the second most used common name for the club. I almost never see "Los Angeles FC" in article (it's a bit common in standings tables, which might be
Information loop issue).
Yurmix (
talk) 19:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
WP:CRITERIA: It is the recognizable (aka common name), more precise (
MLS Clubs list, [lafc.com/club club website]) and given confusion with
LA Galaxy.
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GiantSnowman 15:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose - it is 'Los Angeles FC' at commonly used sites such as
Soccerway,
NFT,
World Football etc. The fact that MLS is consistent in which version they use does not matter. This is the COMMONNAME.
GiantSnowman 15:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Support - It will align with Spanish Wikipedia page
[3], and the Club's as well as MLS official releases
[4][5]AbeOps 09:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. No evidence for common name in spite of many claims. The new official name is of course immediately common in primary sources, and some think this should make a difference, but I do not. It is completely contrary to the long established principles of
WP:AT.
Andrewa (
talk) 10:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Can't see any evidence "Los Angeles Football Club" is the common name. A
Google News search doesn't bring up any source which uses it. On the other hand
a search for "Los Angeles FC" brings up quite a few (
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9],
[10],
[11],
[12]). LAFC seems even more a common name, but I'm unsure of policy regarding using acronyms as the article title. --
SuperJew (
talk) 06:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The majority of the Google News results, by far, are for
LAFC. That is by far the most use pronounce. However when I suggested it
back in January, the push back was based on Los Angeles Football Club being the common name. So which way is it? Also, no body uses Los Angeles FC in article bodies, this is pure metadata (Where do news take their metadata? Wikipedia!). If you check searches for
"Los Angeles FC" without LAFC, it is strikingly low at 8 results. Also, the most relevant news orgs for the region are probably
LA Times and
ESPN. They don't use the "FC" suffix. Also does
MLS league website - 10 other teams show "FC" suffix but not LAFC.
Yurmix (
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I only see one for the long form in January, so no change since then.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 23:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Perhaps you can help me understand of Los Angeles FC is the common name, while no one is using that? Clearly, almost all the editors responding in this debate (and the last) know something that I don't, but I'd really (sincerely) appreciate to know what that is.
I'm asking since based on my high consumption of news articles and video coverage of the club in the past 5 years, I have never came across anyone uses the term "Los Angeles FC", except for occasionally metadata and article headers. In article body and in live coverage it is 80% of the time "LAFC" and the other 20% it is "Los Angeles Football Club". (I have brought numerous links to prove this so I'll skip that part here).
Yurmix (
talk) 23:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)reply
For the same reason that
Manchester United F.C. is the common name, but it is usually called Man U or just Manchester United, and some call it Manchester United Football Club. For the same reason that
Manchester City F.C. is the common name, but it is most frequently called only City, Man City, MCFC, etc. It has to do with how association football club articles are named on Wikipedia.
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 01:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)reply
BBC does use the full version to be fair...
GiantSnowman 09:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Support move from
Los Angeles FC. Oppose move to
Los Angeles Football Club. Support move to
LAFC. All per COMMONNAME based on usage by reliable sources like the LA Times. Almost no, if any, reliable sources use “Los Angeles FC”. That’s just WPians making up names; it’s not even natural disambiguation. But
Los Angeles Football Club is hardly better in terms of usage in reliable sources, but at least there is some usage. However,
LAFC is the COMMONNAME, hands down, period. It clearly dominates references to this topic in reliable sources. It’s the COMMONNAME by definition. If this club was not the primary topic for LAFC then we could be talking about natural disambiguation, but
LAFC is the primary topic for its COMMONNAME given that
LAFC is a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. —
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