Anyone want to collaborate on adding a column with scheduled service time to this table?
Theblindsage (
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There are some trains that were listed on other websites for which I cannot find any corraborating info. I'm going to place these here until further info/confirmation is found. Please remove items from list that you know are not valid Amtrak Routes.
- Encore (Midwest?)
- Gulf Wind (Was an L&N Train)
- Indiana Connection
- Lake Shore (NOT LAKE SHORE LIMITED) VIA Montreal, QC-Toronto, ON Montreal - Toronto
- La Salle CN; VIA Chicago, IL-Toronto, ON;Sarnia, ON-Montreal, QC
- Marquette (Show the Pere Marquette RR Operated this Train Chicago, IL-Grand Rapids, MI; Amtrak now had the Pere Marquette)
- South Breeze
- Spirit of America
- Texan
- Weekender
- West Virginian
- Willamette Valley (Oregon)
- Wishbone
[1] shows the Lake Shore as the old name for the Lake Shore Limited. The 1991 Trains article agrees. That timetable also shows the West Virginian. --
SPUI (
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I've gone through a bunch of info and added start and end dates for most of the trains outside the corridors (Northeast, Empire, Keystone, Hiawatha and Cascade).
User:SPUI/Amtrak shite has some compiled info. --
SPUI (
talk) 19:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
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Extended content
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1-99
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Present use
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Former uses
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1
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Sunset Limited
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November 14,
1971 - present
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2
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3
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Southwest Chief
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Super Chief/El Capitan;
Super Chief;
Southwest Limited; Southwest Chief
November 14,
1971 - present
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4
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5
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California Zephyr
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City of San Francisco/
Denver Zephyr;
San Francisco Zephyr; California Zephyr
November 14,
1971 - present
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6
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7
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Empire Builder
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November 14,
1971 - present
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8
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9
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North Coast Hiawatha/
Twin Cities Hiawatha;
North Star
November 14,
1971 - ?
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10
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11
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Coast Starlight
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November 14,
1971 - present
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12
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Coast Daylight
November 14,
1971 - ?
Fast Mail
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13
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Coast Daylight
November 14,
1971 - ?
Fast Mail
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14
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Coast Starlight
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November 14,
1971 - present
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15
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Texas Chief;
Lone Star
November 14,
1971 -
October 1,
1979
National Chief
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16
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17
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18
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19
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Crescent
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20
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21
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Texas Eagle
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Inter-American;
Eagle
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22
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23
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Inter-American (
Houston section)
Gulf Coast Limited
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24
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25
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Pioneer
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26
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27
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Empire Builder (
Portland section)
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28
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29
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Capitol Limited
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30
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National Limited
November 14,
1971 - ?
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31
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National Limited
November 14,
1971 - ?
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32
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33
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34
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35
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Desert Wind
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36
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37
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38
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39
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40
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Broadway Limited;
Three Rivers
November 14,
1971 -
March 7,
2005
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41
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42
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Pennsylvanian
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Keystone
November 14,
1971 - ?
Valley Forge
[2]
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43
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44
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Big Apple
[3]
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45
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Susquehanna
[4]
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46
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Pennsylvanian
[5]
Skyline Connection
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47
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48
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Lake Shore Limited
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49
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50
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Cardinal
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James Whitcomb Riley/
George Washington; Cardinal
November 14,
1971 - present
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51
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52
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Auto Train
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Floridian
November 14,
1971 - ?
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53
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54
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Vermonter
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Mountaineer
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55
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56
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57
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58
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City of New Orleans
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Panama Limited; City of New Orleans
November 14,
1971 - present
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59
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60
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[[
Montrealer (Amtrak)|
Montrealer]]
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61
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Lake Shore
November 14,
1971 - ?
Montrealer]]
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62
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Lake Shore
November 14,
1971 - ?
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63
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Maple Leaf
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64
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65
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66
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Night Owl;
Twilight Shoreliner
[6]
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67
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68
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Adirondack
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69
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70
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New York-Buffalo
November 14,
1971 - ?
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71
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72
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New York-Buffalo
November 14,
1971 - ?
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73
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Piedmont
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New York-Buffalo
November 14,
1971 - ?
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74
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75
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New York-Buffalo
November 14,
1971 - ?
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76
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Twilight Shoreliner
[7]
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77
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78
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79
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Carolinian
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80
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81
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Silver Star (
Tampa section)
November 14,
1971 - ?
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82
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83
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Silver Meteor
November 14,
1971 - ?
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84
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85
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Champion
November 14,
1971 - ?
Virginian
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86
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87
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Silver Meteor (
Tampa section)
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88
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89
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Palmetto
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Silver Palm
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90
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91
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Silver Star
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November 14,
1971 - present
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92
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93
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Floridian (
Miami section)
Tidewater
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94
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Floridian (
Miami section)
Old Dominion
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95
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Old Dominion
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96
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Tidewater
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97
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Silver Meteor
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98
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99
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100-199
200-299
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Present use
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Former uses
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230
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Empire Service
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231
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232
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233
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234
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235
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236
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237
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238
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239
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240
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241
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242
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243
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244
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245
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246
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247
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248
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249
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250
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251
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252
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253
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254
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255
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256
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257
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258
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259
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260
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261
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262
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263
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264
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265
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266
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267
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268
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269
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270
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271
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272
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273
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274
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275
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276
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277
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278
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279
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280
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281
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282
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283
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284
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285
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286
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287
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288
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289
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290
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Ethan Allen Express
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291
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292
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293
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294
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295
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296
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297
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298
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299
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300-399
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Present use
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Former uses
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300
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State House
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301
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Prairie State
November 14,
1971 - ?
Kansas City Mule
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302
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Abraham Lincoln
November 14,
1971 - ?
State House
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303
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Ann Rutledge
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304
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Prairie State
November 14,
1971 - ?
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305
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State House
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306
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St. Louis Mule
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307
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308
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309
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310
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311
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Kansas City Mule
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Loop
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312
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Loop
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313
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Ann Rutledge
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314
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315
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316
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St. Louis Mule
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317
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Hoosier State
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318
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319
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320
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Prairie State
November 14,
1971 - ?
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321
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Chicago-Milwaukee
November 14,
1971 - ?
Eagle
Texas Eagle
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322
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323
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Ann Rutledge
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Abraham Lincoln
November 14,
1971 - ?
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324
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Chicago-Milwaukee
November 14,
1971 - ?
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325
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326
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Abraham Lincoln
November 14,
1971 - ?
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327
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328
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329
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Hiawatha
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Prairie State
November 14,
1971 - ?
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330
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331
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332
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333
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334
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335
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336
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337
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338
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339
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340
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341
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342
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343
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Lake Country Limited
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344
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345
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346
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Illinois Zephyr
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347
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Illinois Zephyr
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November 14,
1971 - present
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348
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349
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350
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Wolverine
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Wolverine
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351
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352
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Lake Cities
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353
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354
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Twilight Limited
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355
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356
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Wolverine
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357
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358
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River Cities
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359
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360
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Wolverine
November 14,
1971 - ?
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361
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362
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St. Clair
November 14,
1971 - ?
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363
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364
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Blue Water
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Blue Water Limited;
International
[8]
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365
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366
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International
[9]
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367
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368
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369
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370
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Pere Marquette
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371
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372
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373
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Pere Marquette
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374
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375
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376
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377
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378
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379
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380
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381
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382
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383
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384
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385
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386
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387
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388
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389
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390
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Illini
November 14,
1971 - ?
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391
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Illini
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Shawnee
November 14,
1971 - ?
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392
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393
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Illini
November 14,
1971 - ?
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394
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Campus
November 14,
1971 - ?
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395
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396
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397
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398
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399
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400-499
500-599
600-699
700-799
800-899
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I have a summary of the ownership of Amtrak's 21,767 route miles here-
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/569629/ShowPost.aspx
Dale
nanaimo73@shaw.ca
- Dale, that's an excellent work you did there.
Rhallanger 00:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
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A 1986 LADOTD map shows four Amtrak routes, all from New Orleans - to Slidell via Southern, Hammond via ICG, Schriever, New Iberia, Lafayette and Lake Charles via SP and New Orleans East via Seaboard. Does anyone know details on the New Orleans East route? Is this referring to the
Gulf Coast Limited (and thus in error, as that was discontinued in January 1985)? Or did Amtrak operate a commuter train there? --
SPUI (
T -
C -
RFC) 07:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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There are some trains listed, especially on the
Northeast Corridor, that lost their names but still exist. Those need to be marked, but how to do that in an overly-long article? --
plaws 21:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
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Means nothing. What you want is revenue passenger miles since, particularly on longer routes, seats can turn over multiple times. --
plaws (
talk) 21:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
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Quite long passenger routes you have, anything over 500 miles would probably be classed as long-distance here if such a class would be regulated.
85.76.37.10 (
talk) 18:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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I've separated the Keystone Corridor section into two tables - the Harrisburg-Philadelphia local services that are now under the
Keystone Service brand, and Pittsburgh-Philadelphia services (now only the
Pennsylvanian) that general didn't provide local service east of Harrisburg. I think this is more clear, but could be convinced otherwise.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 18:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
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- I like it, but we now have some duplication between this section and Northeast–Midwest. They could probably be separated based on whether the service continued west of Pittsburgh, though the Pennsylvanian's brief extension to Chicago poses a problem.
Mackensen
(talk) 02:24, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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- I 'm afraid there's always going to be some degree of duplication no matter how you divide it up. Even discounting the proper long-distance trains that run express on the NEC, you have a number of trains that offer local service on the NEC and also go elsewhere. Carolinian, Vermonter, pretty much every NYC-HBG train that's existed, the Virginia extensions of Northeast Regionals, etc. I think you end up having to make some really awkward judgement calls about what list to put things on if you try to restrict it to exactly one listing of each train. What about that Downington Metroliner that ran 80% of its route miles on the NEC? What if the Lynchburger gets extended to Bristol as proposed - it would be almost as long as the Carolinian, but still may remain under the Northeast Regional brand. Amtrak seems to always have an exception for every rule.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 17:04, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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Should the Valley Flyer trains be listed separately? Or should we change the length of the Hartford Line trains to 98 miles to include the two round trips to Greenfield, MA?
Mirza Ahmed (
talk) 07:38, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
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In the January 1972 Amtrak route guide*, there is a route called "Keystone" pg 52, top row, train #43, and pg 53, bottom row, train #42. It's a New York to Philly route. I'm mapping route changes based on the printed schedules, so I have no further info than what appears there. Not comfortable just stuffing it into the chart.
- From the Museaum of Railway Timetables
Lindaniel (
talk) 23:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Lindaniel: Thanks for the tip. Looks like we already have it listed - see the second chart under
#Keystone Corridor. Cheers,
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 01:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Pi.1415926535: The earliest in that chart is 1980. The Keystone I reference is in 1972. I'm now working on 1973 guides, and this Keystone has only been listed in the January 1972 Amtrak guide. (oops, forgot to sign in Lindaniel)
74.76.173.30 (
talk) 03:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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- I think you're looking at the first chart. The 1972 iteration of the Keystone is in the second chart, right under the Duquesne and Fort Pitt.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 03:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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- I did further searching in my stuff, and found ...that your answer above is "my" Keystone. Searched on Duquesne, and there it was. I'm glad I didn't try amending the page before asking about it. Thank you for your patience.
Lindaniel (
talk) 22:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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There are multiple dates in the various tables which have a red background, but as far as I can tell there's nothing in the article itself that explains what this use of color means. This seems inconsistent with
MOS:COLOR's requirement that colored backgrounds should not be used except in conjunction with accessibility tools or footnotes to make it clear what the use of color is meant to symbolize.
Rfwang4 (
talk) 21:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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- That's odd. It seems to me that the colors indicate either a) the route was operated by Amtrak on May 1, 1971, the date Amtrak began operations, or b) the route is currently active. I don't understand why both cases would use the same color.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk) 21:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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- @
Trainsandotherthings: That appears to have been around since 2005, could use an update perhaps.
Cards
84664 21:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Ah, 2005, when VHS was still a thing and I was in elementary school. That was probably advanced technique back in 2005 to have the colors like that. I'd recommend changing the present services color from red to green.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk) 21:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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- I realize that @
Trainsandotherthings have our differences over station notability but there's no need to make some us feel older than we are :). Anyway, the red background denoted (for the start date) trains that Amtrak assumed control over on May 1, 1971 and (for the end date) trains that are still running. At one time, I believe, the reporting mark of the pre-Amtrak carrier was also indicated in the start date. I agree that in its current form it adds nothing. If a color key is needed or useful, we should do something similar to what's implemented at
List of MBTA subway stations.
Mackensen
(talk) 22:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Edit: yes they were, see
[13] for example.
Mackensen
(talk) 22:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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How's this grab folks?
Mackensen
(talk)
- Sure, and maybe add a new column for predecessor operator, similar to
Conrail#Passenger rail operations.
Cards
84664 23:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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Name
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Indicates Amtrak's name for the train; or in some cases the pre-Amtrak name for trains operating prior to November 14, 1971
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Route
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The endpoints and major intermediate stops for the train. Changes to terminal stations within the same city, as well as route changes that did not modify the endpoint cities, are not shown.
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Service began
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The date Amtrak began operating the train
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Service ended
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The date Amtrak ceased operating the train
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Notes
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Additional information concerning name changes and prior operators
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‡
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Trains conveyed to Amtrak either on May 1, 1971, or afterward
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†
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Trains that are currently operating
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†‡
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Trains conveyed to Amtrak that are currently operating
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