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I briefly read over the 19th and 20th century section and it look like it splits off from the main section in the last 2 paragraphs. As it looks like it goes into branches of language education and that would probably be best in a separate section altogether. We might want to consider splitting that up to enhance readability and make less daunting. As well as to help organize and split up information. - Vexthesmol ( talk) 17:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
I added this as a link to the main article on this method.
Languagewatch ( talk) 21:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not very happy with the latest addition to the external links, "Learn Spanish in Mexico". This seems to be nothing but an advertisement and shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Comments? <KF> 14:31, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
"Around the World"
Verified as historic, removed from contents. Robbiemuffin ( talk) 02:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Since when was Europe the world?-- ZayZayEM 02:15, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Either a large section of this has been copied BY another site, or a large section of this has been copied FROM another site. See [1] under Methods of Teaching Foreign Languages. 16:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The stuff on Pimsleur sounds like an advertisement. It needs to be shortened and sound less like "I bought it, so should you!"
You write: "(CLT) is an approach to the teaching of second and foreign languages that emphasizes interaction as both the means and the ultimate goal of learning a language. Despite the widespread failure of CLT to produce excellent results, it continues to be popular, particularly in Europe, where constructivist views on language learning and education in general dominate academic discourse." Now this is absolutely vital, but has no evidence to back it up. What studies have been done comparing the success of different language methods? It happens that I think CLT is useless,as it imparts no language regularities , i.e. grammar, but I believe it is prevalent due to the social class origins and hence cultural values: - fun, play,instant gratification, post-1968 "creativity" - of the (mainly) women who teach modern languages and are easy meat for the fraudulent publishing houses looking to make a buck by promising this season´s "Teaching Success on earth, now on DVD".
The article seems to give correct about information about the Dutchspeaking part of Belgium. I would find it very interesting to read something about the education of Dutch and English in the other part too.(age,etc..) Evilbu 14:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
this last sentence in the codeswitching section needs a citation at the very least Glennh70 16:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Mark Matthew Dalton ( talk) 02:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I think it's frustrating not to know why. I don't know, by the way. Mark Matthew Dalton ( talk) 02:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
This section smacks of SEO - it is basically an excuse to link several commercial and borderline commercial websites with a few free site thrown in to make it difficult to argue against removing the section altogether. Wikipedia is not a directory and I recommend removing the external links from this section or linking only to free services. People are welcome to search the internet for commercial services - linking to them from this article does not improve the content and it would be impossible to say which links should be kept and which should go. Nposs 22:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just removed the external links from the new section, and I find that it does not diminish the content of the section. Nposs 23:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of re-titling the Internet section to address "Self-study" more generally, which is not covered elsewhere in the article yet. It is worth at least noting there are many self-study books and CDs available which, like the Internet portals, offer teaching outside schools. The "Methods" section currently starts, "Language education may take place as a general school subject or in a specialized language school." I would drop or expand that sentence, which really addresses location, more than method. Any thoughts? Numbersinstitute ( talk) 22:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I think we should mention in this "Language education" article the WikiWikiWeb:TelescopeRule: the counter-intuitive idea that the best way to learn some given foreign language in 4 years is to first spend a year learning Esperanto, then 3 years learning the desired language.
I wouldn't believe it myself if I hadn't seen Propaedeutic_value_of_Esperanto.
-- 68.0.120.35 21:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
It is inflammatory to call the arrival of Europeans in Australia as an "invasion". It is unnecessary in this article to even mention it. All the article has to start with is "Prior to 1788... etc". To be more expansive for the non-Australian reader it might have to say "Prior to 1788, before Europeans arrived permanently on the Australian continent... etc". Lets keep it unbiased as possible thanks.
I think the article (NOT the title) should indeed be posted under L2-teaching, but I think many things should be considered. Firstly, the title "Language Education" (LE), to my interpretation, is meant as it is: the teaching of ANY language. However, there are many different aspects we have to include here. L2 teaching, independent which language we will acquire, is just an aspect of the whole chapter of LE. Mother tongue (or L1) teaching is also LE, isn't it? After all, in which educational system the native tongue isn't taught? Also, we have to approach L2 differently depending the political situation. As mentioned before, in Belgium, as well as in other multi-language countries, the teaching of an L2 (or even L3 and L4) will have different (political) objectives and goals. But yet, the whole package is part of LE teaching. Therefore it might be handy to divide this chapter into the different aspects that LE embraces: not only the L2/LX teaching, but everything included: semantics, grammar, linguistics, etc. —Preceding
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I don't know whose idea this was, but it wasn't mine and I strongly disagree. See here for why. -- Hoary 09:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yolgnu notes: rv. it isn't spoken, not because we don't know how it was spoken, but because, lacking native speakers, there is no need to speak it
Which is exactly what I learned too (regarding latin and to a lesser degree some stages of greek). But it doesn't matter for the purposes of this article. It's fun to speculate on how well our teaching methods mirrored the language in some moment in time, or some average of several moments ... but that is not the place for wikipedia, that is (at it's best) original research. It also belongs in the section on dead languages, in my opinion, and less so here.
What I wrote does not contradict the primacy of our linguistic understanding of the oral tradition of latin. It avoids the issue entirely, allowing the reader to focus on what the article is supposed to be about; the grammar translation method. — robbiemuffin page talk 12:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
right now I have the section as (emphasis here is for purposes of the discussion):
It is used by many Latin teachers, since a dead language lacks native speakers and so does not have the same abundancy of source for its oration (although there is certainly an understanding of how Latin was spoken).
I would like to be rid of the emphasized section, but that would revert it to my initial change, which was reverted because of the modern educational history of latin. — robbiemuffin page talk 12:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I will work on getting more global views of language education. The US information is very useful and I will keep verifying. I can add more about European developments and Asian developments and trends. Any help will be appreciated. Thx. LK Lam Kin Keung ( talk) 03:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
"All but unknown"??? PPP remains the base method taught in the CELTA and TESOL certificates —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.122.153.243 ( talk) 08:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I quote from Language education#The audio-lingual method:
"The audio-lingual method was developed around World War II when governments realized that they needed more people who could conduct conversations fluently in a variety of languages, work as interpreters, code-room assistants, and translators. However, since foreign language instruction in that country was heavily focused on reading instruction, no textbooks, other materials or courses existed at the time, so new methods and materials had to be devised."
Regarding the text "in that country", is this referring to the USA? It's not made clear in the text. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 03:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose splitting the article up into sections. Here are my ideas for the sub-articles:
The rest can stay in the article as it is, I think. Does this sound like a good plan? — GypsyJiver ( drop me a line) 23:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to see a section devoted to methods of teaching language that are not well-known to the typical language teacher, for example because the methods are so new, or because they just never really got out of the lab so to speak. Mark Matthew Dalton ( talk) 02:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I propose that Second language learning be merged with a few different articles, including this one. The contents of Second language learning is already covered in several different places, notably:
Because of this significant overlap, I don't think there is a need for a specific article on Second language learning. The general introduction for the subject is already covered in Language education and Second language acquisition. I suggest redirecting it to Language education after merging the content into the relevant articles. — GypsyJiver ( drop me a line) 06:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I've finished the merge. The only material I found that could actually be merged was about half of the History section, and I put that in Language education#Need for language education. Even this is a bit iffy, but I put it in anyway in case people think it's worth improving. Second language learning now redirects to Second language acquisition. — GypsyJiver ( drop me a line) 16:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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An update is direly needed:
Google Trends: Language Teaching + Learning http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=language+learning,language+teaching,virtual+worlds
In 2010 Second Life was de-listed by the Immersive Education Initiative, and replaced by Open Simulator and realXtend, for the following reasons http://immersiveeducation.org/go/iED_Article_Taking_The_Initiative_CGW.html
What about this Grid? Access to the Education Grid is available to members of the Immersive Education Initiative http://theeducationgrid.org/
Education Grid http://theeducationgrid.org/About_The_Education_Grid.html
Immersive Education Initiative iED Educational Requirements http://mediagrid.org/groups/
Immersive Education Technology Group (IETG) : Education Grid Requirements Specification http://mediagrid.org/groups/technology/grid.ied/specification/index.html - Item 2.1: No “Vendor Lock-In” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in - Vendor Lock-In Remedy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_Relationship_Management
ABSTRACTS 1st European Immersive Education Summit (iED Summit) http://members.immersiveeducation.org/abstracts_Spain_Summit
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93.222.177.38 (
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An update is needed:
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93.222.177.38 (
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By 1998 nearly all pupils in Europe studied at least one foreign language as part of their compulsory education, the only[citation needed] exception being the Republic of Ireland, where primary and secondary schoolchildren learn both Irish and English, but neither is considered a foreign language although a third European language is also taught.
As far as I can tell, this (convoluted) text tries to explain that because Ireland teaches two official languages and a third, foreign language, Ireland does not teach a foreign language.
If my interpretation is correct, the statement is obviously wrong (A AND B => !A)==FALSE.
Eroen ( talk) 17:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
To Allformweek - I noticed you removed much of the summary, including the statement "It can include improving a learner's mastery of her or his native language". I think this is referring to things like the English Language classes and English Literature classes that I received at secondary school in the UK, and I don't think there is anything controversial about saying that that can be included in a definition of language education. Maybe we can change the wording in a way that can makes this meaning more obvious? I'd like to hear your thoughts. — Mr. Stradivarius ( drop me a line) 23:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't "Language education" talk about language education in general instead that on "second language education"? I suggest changing the title to "Second language education" or "Foreign language education". Saying that language education refers to second language education is unfair. Schools devote much more time to first language education than to second language education. I imagine there could be a different article called "Language education" covering both first and second language or more general issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.151.183 ( talk) 13:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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