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The history of the center is the history of America's human space flight program. Both illustrate the determination and the vision of people to rise to unexpected challenges and to work together to attain success.[4]
It's true but it's not encyclopaedic.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurian Legend ( talk • contribs)
Considering that, and the fact then President Johnson was a Texan, the choice became clear.
Biased, opinionated sources should be used only to establish that opinions exist on controversial subjects, never for blithe assertions without attribution about supposed facts. I have posted this usage on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Lyndon Johnson's political influence on selection of Houston Manned Spacecraft Center? and someone there seems to agree with me. It doesn't matter if "Johnson's influence is clearly described in the cited source" if it's only the author's opinion; please read WP:Reliable Sources#Biased or opinionated sources and WP:Reliable sources#Statements of opinion. There has been no notable, mainstream controversy established about Johnson's influence on the choice of Houston for MSC.
Who is Lily Koppel, and what makes her an authority on NASA's site selection processes for the Apollo program (as opposed to The Astronaut Wives Club (book))? That's a dubious kind of source to cite for the context of this article. No matter how much gossip about LBJ has been spread around, this is weak verification.
And the request for proof of a negative ("cite a source that establishes it did not happen") is never reasonable. That's the same "reasoning" fringe and conspiracy theorists use. JustinTime55 ( talk) 18:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
This section still needs a lot of work, to accurately and fairly describe from a NPOV the factors, technical and political, that went into selecting the Houston site. Thanks to 68.46.226.6 ( talk · contribs) for adding the Suddenly Tomorrow Came citation. However:
Here's an update: I've made the improvements I suggested above. But I also learned something about the supposed "Astronaut Wives Club allegations", when I bought the book for myself. It turns out this book in fact makes no such allegations as 2601:4c1:c001:1878:c00f:507a:d436:ce86 ( talk · contribs) cited it to put in; they are apparently this person's " original research", or at least snthesis. AWC contains no "clear description" of Johnson's influence in the selection process; the most she wrote is a snarky comment about the Humble Oil executives who donated the land being "Johnson's cronies". There is absolutely no mention at all of:
...the ability to satisfy these requirements at the geographically larger Cape Canaveral and nearby Patrick Air Force Base facilities
Fact: No consideration was ever given to locate MSC at Cape Canaveral (there was not enough land available; as it was they had to make somewhat controversial use of eminent domain to kick some lower class people out of their property in order to build KSC). Fact: It would not have been smart to put the MSC there so close to the potentially hazardous rocket launch facility. And fact: Patrick Air Force Base was never considered; the Air Force was busy using it for the Air Force Space Command.)
This
urban legend that LBJ was a corrupt SOB who pulled strings to put the MSC in Houston reared its ugly head in Wikipedia once before back in March 2013, in the
John F. Kennedy article. A similar misuse of a highly biased source (the arrogant, self-confessed "liberal elitist"
Richard Reeves (American writer)) wasseemed to have been used then too, to support this absurd assertion:
...[JFK] postponed the decision [
to put a man on the Moon] out of deference to his vice president. Johnson had been appointed chairman of the U.S. Space Council and strongly supported NASA because its new Manned Spacecraft Center was located in Texas.
Fact: Johnson supported NASA from its inception (which he helped sponsor) in 1958. MSC did not exist then; how could that possibly be a "cause"? Fact: Kennedy did not defer anything to Johnson, who recommended the Moon program based in turn on advice he solicited from Wehrner von Braun. Once again, I have no way of knowing, without reading Reeves' book, whether, as I suspect, this editor was similarly putting words in Reeves' mouth.
JustinTime55 (
talk) 19:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
@ 68.46.226.6: You seem to have reinserted text written by another IP user 2601:4c1:c001:1878:c00f:507a:d436:ce86, with two new citations.
Although Cape Canaveral, the permanent site of the Launch Control Center and the original site of Mission Control, fit these parameters, the formal site selection process continued under the legislation. [1] failed verification [2] failed verification
These soruces do not say anything at all about the selection committee's criteria being met by Cape Canaveral, or the Mercury Control Center being suitable for Gemini and Apollo. (In fact, Holt specifically says the technology in the Mercury center was obsolete and inadequate for Apollo.) You can't make sources say what you want to support your WP:original research. JustinTime55 ( talk) 16:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
This section belongs in the Space Center Houston article, not JSC. The proposal to obtain an orbiter was submitted by Space Center Houston, not NASA, not the Johnson Space Center. Any objections to either removing this section or direct readers to the Space Center Houston artiicle?.-- RadioFan ( talk) 01:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Current numbers for personnel can be found here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.65.236.17 ( talk) 22:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
No mention of NASA Johnson Space Center’s Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory (ASPL) where VASIMR was tested 2004/2005. [1] Presumably distinct from Advanced Propulsion Physics Laboratory. - Rod57 ( talk) 10:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)