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I removed a parenthetical comment under Jay's time as Chief Justice. The comment asserted that the Judiciary Act of 1789 created the office of Chief Justice. That is incorrect, the Constitution presupposes a chief justice in Article I, Section 3 when it talks about how the chief justice will preside over the impeachment trials of the president. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.62.161.13 ( talk) 17:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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This section says "In 1768, after reading law and being admitted to the bar of New York, Jay, with the money from the government, established a legal practice and worked there until he created his own law office in 1771." What "money from the government"? Philgoetz ( talk) 03:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC) reply

I'll put this to the discussion before making official changes to the article. Is it really accurate to say that Jay was Minister to Spain? As the article says, his credentials were never accepted by the Spanish government, which is the official act that makes you an ambassador. Even the State Department Historian's website lists Jay as an "other nominee" instead of an official Chief of Mission. Something to think about. Thurgoodmarshallisbae ( talk) 19:48, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply

That page says Jay served from mid-1783 while this page has a 1784 start-date. One is mistaken, anyone know? Maybe Rjensen? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC) reply

The office of Secretary for foreign affairs had been established in 1781 and occupied by Chancellor Livingston until June of 1783 and then it remained vacant. Jay returned from Europe in July 1784 and found out that Congress had appointed him Secretary 2 months earlier. Jay wanted to decline the office but finally accepted the secretaryship on December 21 1784. He served to 1789. . His services are well covered in George Pellew John Jay (1900) pages 229-261, which is online free at https://archive.org/details/cu31924014703197 Rjensen ( talk) 14:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the (as always) full information. So the US Sec. of Foreign Affairs page is/was wrong and should be changed to reflect it. Randy Kryn ( talk) 16:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC) reply