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I added a list of publications by De Haan, copied (but edited with the help of the Dutch Central Catalogue of Libraries) from the Dutch wiki. I'm not quite sure about the term 'inaugural address'. The Dutch expression is 'openbare les', literally 'public lesson', the first lecture by a newly graduated doctor.
I could add translations of the Dutch titles, if anybody wants. Soczyczi 16:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
About De Haan's sex life, as far as I know nothing definite is known, but that's the case for most people of the first quarter of the 20th century. There's only his writing: there is no hetero-erotism in his work, only homo-erotism. It started with a big explosion in his novel Pijpelijntjes, with its candid descriptions of homosexual erotism in 1904, when no reader was used to this. In the next novel, Pathologieën, even homosexual sado-masochism was present from the first to the last page. In his poetry, especially Libertijnsche liederen and Een nieuw Carthago, both books loosely based on novels by Georges Eekhoud, are really homo-erotic in character, as are many of the quatrains of Kwatrijnen, including that most famous of these all, about 'God or the Moroccan lad'. Also, various of the Palestinian sketches exude a homo-erotic intimacy, or interest for male beauty. There's no explicit sex, only in Pijpelijntjes, shocking for even the least delicate of those Victorian readers. To me, there is no doubt that De Haan had a homosexual orientation. However, nothing is known about any homosexual acts. Soczyczi 16:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Various Zionists have accused De Haan of being homosexual. Although no evidence of this has surfaced, for many years they used this as a justification of his murder. Tehomi denied such allegations (...) . That's pretty strong, isn't it. Accused, allegations, justification of his murder... even for the 1900's-1920's it's strong, more than just gay-hate or disgust. Some more details and nuance would be welcome. Which Zionists, when did they accuse De Haan, and in what terms? A source maybe? Soczyczi ( talk) 21:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
This article states in the lead that de Haan lived from 31 December 1881 till 30 June 1924, but states below as the date of the murder: July 1, 1924. So, was it June 30 or July 1, 1924? Who can clear this up? Paul kuiper NL ( talk) 01:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
So does this mean it was July 1, and the date June 30 is wrong? What is the source for this? Paul kuiper NL ( talk) 03:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you can be somewhat more clear for people who are not familiar with the Jewish calendar? Does this mean that the murder happened on June 30, and that the date July 1 is wrong? And again, what exactly is the source for this? Paul kuiper NL ( talk) 02:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
'In 1904, while living in Amsterdam, he wrote his controversial novel Pijpelijntjes ("Lines from De Pijp"), which appears to have been a thinly veiled version of his own promiscuous gay life with Aletrino in Amsterdam's "Pijp" working-class district.' Pijpelijntjes is a novel. De Haan may or may not have led a promiscuous gay life in De Pijp, but he certainly never lived together with Aletrino. That is fiction. The wording should be 'pretends to be', not 'appears to have been'. Also, the book is not about De Haan and Aletrino; it is about Joop and Sam, and that's where the pain was: Joop was De Haan's own shortened first name, and 'Sam' was a nickname, well-known, of the author Arnold Aletrino. This medical doctor was, in a very careful way, defending homosexuality in writing and in lectures. When word should go out that Aletrino himself was homosexual, nobody would take his work seriously anymore. To prevent that scandal, Aletrino together with De Haan's fiancée bought up all copies of the novel and destroyed them. Only about 10-20 copies are known today (making it one of the most expensive Dutch literature titles in the world of antiquarian books). De Haan then completely rewrote the book. This second edition of Pijpelijntjes, published before the end of 1904, features not 'Sam and Joop' but 'Cor Koning and Felix Deelman', two new, neutral names for the protagonists.
This version is even more outspoken about homosexuality, but it went largely ignored. Not the homosexuality was the problem, but its link with living persons. Soczyczi ( talk) 11:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I should add that Pijpelijntjes was dedicated by De Haan in print to 'good A. Aletrino', and pointed even more to Aletrino because of a line about 'Sam': "His name was Arnold, but we always called him 'Sam'". Soczyczi ( talk) 21:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I added an explanation in parentheses for these terms, because they are unknown to many or most English readers. Then User:Itzse removed one of these explanations with the commentary "Removed explanation, and made Hareidim into a link instead. The article on Hareidim gives much more information then a few words in parenthesis can; deeming it unnecessary." However, if I'm reading an article about Jacob Israël de Haan I don't want to digress into other articles with lots of information about these words, just have a general idea about their meaning. If you think Haredim needs a better definition or explanation, please go ahead. I just copied it from the Wikipedia articles Haredi and Yishuv haYashan. You need not link Haredim again, for the word has been linked already in the very same sentence, and again six lines lower. Glatisant ( talk) 20:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Glatisant. I am a (formerly) Dutch Jew living in Jerusalem, and a member of the community that De Haan was a member of. He was indeed considered part of this community then. In fact, upon his death, thousands of people (led by Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld and other major people) went to his funeral. If you want to know more, leave a note on my talk page. -- Piz d'Es-Cha ( talk) 20:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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This article's subject is described as being "a Dutch literary writer, lawyer and journalist of Jewish descent" which sounds as if he wasn't actually Jewish though having Jewish ancestry. Note /info/en/?search=Zera_Yisrael (redirected from https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jewish_descent&redirect=no. Since he was born into an orthodox Jewish family it seems more logical for the description to be "a Dutch Jewish literary writer, lawyer and journalist". Mcljlm ( talk) 17:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)