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Please provide a quote from Rosenblatt's LA Times article that supports the statement "residents of the Victor Valley consider themselves separate from the IE". Also, using HTML comments to push a POV is bad form. No one can view those comments except editors, so what's the point? -- TorriTorri( talk/ contribs) 19:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think that the article looks too messy with the bolding of Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario metropolitan area. Any thoughts? House1090 ( talk) 23:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Either way it looked messy, look at other metropolitan articles, they don't have the bolding this article had. House1090 ( talk) 07:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
It is indeed an urban area, the Riverside-San Bernadino urban area, from the U.S. Census Bureau. A notable source, and reliable as well. Though Torritorri mistakenly removed the phrase through her insinuation that it was a bias, it is not the case. Just that there are two definitions and arguable more, which not everyone agrees on. I will be putting the phrase back for now. However we can discuss here in order reach a consensus. 08OceanBeach SD ( talk) 22:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I added this image for the infobox, which Torritorri removed, calling it unsourced. I'd like some input from other folks as to its appropriateness. I think it shows the urban areas of the Inland Empire as described in the article better than the current image. And I don't understand how the current image is better sourced than the one I used. They're both created by wiki editors using government info.... Dohn joe ( talk) 05:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I've previously scoured the Internet searching for the government data that the image Dohn joe added claimed to be based on, but haven't found it. While I may not necessarily agree that Riverside and San Bernardino counties "are" the Inland Empire, the majority of sources currently in the article (including non-government sources, such as the Times) refer to the region in that manner. Therefore, I do not consider an image of the two counties highlighted to be original research. I have no quarrel with the skyline idea if that is what the consensus comes to. -- TorriTorri( talk/ contribs) 07:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't like the two-county map, at this point I'd rather see the File:Inland_empire_within_southern_california.png which in spite of including high-desert areas is not misleading like the two-county map. Maybe we can agree to remove both maps. Unscintillating ( talk) 19:03, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I added some information but stopped, why isn't the metropolitan area included in the paragraph (since it is the 14th largest in the nation)? Could some let me what's going on? Thanks, House1090 ( talk) 22:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The Inland Empire does exist as a defined area, but I do understand it can get tricky. What if everything is included in the first paragraph? Smile! House1090 ( talk) 05:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Do you guys (general) think that the article should be renamed? If so what should the name be? I would agree but only if we have one single article and not multiple ones because it'll add more confusion. By the way, as a native, the Inland Empire is used to call all of SB-Riv. counties, the Riv.-SB-Ont. metropolitan area. Smile, House1090 ( talk) 05:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC) :)
Hi folks - we've been talking around this lately, but I think it's about time we figure out exactly what the scope of this article is, and whether we need separate articles for separate (but overlapping) concepts. Concept 1 is the metropolitan statistical area, which is federally defined as Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Concept 2 is the "Inland Empire", which has no universally accepted definition. Some sources consider the two concepts identical, but many sources disagree, as we've seen.
Much of the article as currently written describes Concept 1 - the population figures, lists of cities and airports, and most of the statistical info. Which is fine, when we're discussing the MSA. But when the article discusses Concept 2 separately, by saying that the Inland Empire sometimes includes eastern LA County, and sometimes excludes Temecula or the high desert, then those figures and stats are misleading.
The way I see it, there are a couple of options here. I'll lay them out, and folks can comment on/support/oppose them.
*Option One
A single article, entitled Inland Empire (California)
This is the status quo, but as I noted, it's misleading to treat the Inland Empire as if it were always considered exactly the same as the MSA. A way to make it workable is to always make explicit when a stat or figure applies to the MSA definition, but that could get messy.
*Option Two
A single article, entitled Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA
This would keep all the info about Concept 1, but eliminate the Inland Empire info when it conflicts.
*Option Three
Two articles, one called Inland Empire (California), and one called Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA
This option keeps the two concepts separate. All of the stats and so forth can stay in the MSA article, while the amorphous nature of the IE can be described in the other one. The downside is what to do with the overlap.
So, that's how I see it. Thoughts? Dohn joe ( talk) 22:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
A map showing the location of the region, and the component areas/cities/counties, would be a really good idea. Skinsmoke ( talk) 09:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The Inland Empire is growing, tries to bring in more industry and corporate offices to the area, and the rapidly spread out suburban sprawl in the desert parts is amazing to learn more residents want to live, work and get themselves settled. Downtown Riverside and San Bernardino are major cities with over 200,000 residents, so they became major economic hubs of commerce, transport and business activity. I hope the older cities of Colton and Montclair pick back up, as well the new cities of Eastvale; Jurupa Valley; Menifee; and Wildomar.
This is most true to the suburbs closest to Orange County and Los Angeles County like Chino, Chino Hills, Corona, Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga and Upland. Same applies for Murrieta and Temecula right next to San Diego County; and the family-oriented bedroom community phenomenon replaced the historically senior citizen/retirement areas of Lake Elsinore; Hemet and San Jacinto and Banning/ Beaumont.
There is a large upper-income class population in the northern end of San Bernardino as well the west half of the San Bernardino Valley, and one unincorporated community University District, San Bernardino aka "University Heights" or "University Hills" is a more diversified (the proportion of African-Americans is now the city's highest after Latinos moved into the formerly mostly Black East side of SBDO) neighborhood and the heavily Hispanic (immigrant, since many Mexican-American residents left there) West side of SBDO is improving in its battles against poverty, crime, drugs and gangs; and the cities of Redlands and Loma Linda have the Inland Empire's highest average annual household incomes at $75,000 and $65,000 respectively. But Chino Hills; Norco; and the Indian Wells/ La Quinta and Lake Arrowhead areas have more millionaires per capita.
For about 4 decades, the Victor Valley and Barstow, in addition to the Morongo Basin the Mojave Desert was a "dumping ground" of section 8 housing and welfare recipents; and state parolees relocated there by state probation officials. The 100 mile radius from L.A. is where they sent them to, but these communities (some newly incorporated) in the late 1990s fought hard to make the state stop sending child sex offenders taking children and violent felons bringing in gangs there: Cathedral City and most of the Coachella Valley was redesignated "urban" or "suburban" and have a large percentage of minors, therefore the state probation department relocates child sex offenders end up by seniors only housing areas (i.e. Rancho Mirage) and the middle of the desert.
The latest cities to come into real estate booms of the 2000s are Desert Hot Springs, Indio and Coachella in the Palm Springs area, now the fastest growing towns in the country, because of the lower costs of housing and business opportunity. In fact, many long distance commuters now live in Yucca Valley and 29 Palms, both areas have risen home property values (still cheaper than the entire Palm Springs and Riverside-San Bernardino areas) until they along with the rest of the country's housing prices sharply dropped in the late 2000s recession caused by the real estate bubble burst.
In 2012, there was some survey on the longest average drive-to-work commute (and some take rapid mass transit like amtrak) in the country was from Palm Desert or Palm Springs (representing the Coachella Valley) to the likes of Rialto and Fontana (San Bernardino/Redlands/Ontario) as well to Moreno Valley and Perris (Riverside/Corona/Temecula) is "80-85 minutes" rivaling the Hudson Valley, New York "75-80 minutes" from Kingston to Manhattan, New York City. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 09:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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I apologize for probably breaking every rule and convention of wikipedia, however I noticed this, and it didn't look like anyone else had.
The segment:
Although the region's large industries have been affected by the late-2000s recession, the Inland Empire is projected to remain California's fastest-growing region for some time to come.[33] The area is also projected to remain one of the least educated areas of the state with the lowest average in annual wages in the country.[33]
The first sentence is fine, and the reference backs it up. The second sentence is confusing at best, and clearly wrong nearly any way I've tried to look at it. Here are the points that (as I see it) get muddled up in this paragraph - and this section is actually pretty important to the future-looking aspect of the article as a whole:
The article says the higher education rate is low and projected to remain so. It also states that continued growth is expected, but increasingly in high tech positions requiring extensive education. Ergo, the extensive growth (pick your adjective) will have limited benefit to the majority of citizens - beyond their continued employment in service industries.
I don't want to edit it since I'm told wikipedians get all weird and turf-wary about it, but I thought I would point this out. I hope it makes some sense, and helps improve the article a tiny bit.
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I propose moving the etymology content to be the first content read as it appears to me it is the most accurate description of this particular Inland Empire. The content listed is very confusing as it appears to use special parameters to define an area's population density. California is quite possibly the sprawl Capital of the world in terms on Urban areas, so even if it is the twelfth most populous anything in the United States, it also being the third most populous anything of California doesn't seem to add up, but then again the Census Bureau uses many peculiar parameters in numerous ways so that just about any claim can be made about just about any metro, city, or state. It seems they need to define a term for a picturesque valley settlement in front of a foothill, or on the east side of N.America, mountains or escarpments such as Catskill
The only Inland Empire I am familiar with is located in Coos Bay, Oregon (see map look for the B-lvd that crosses Newmark Ave) The only thing missing is the bird with flared tail using it as a surf board like on Egyptian pamphlets handed out at a person's funeral. You may have to zoom in quite far as for some reason, all of the maps online have been using misnomers for the names of Hwy certain sides of Boulevard. - Dirtclustit ( talk) 21:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The Inland Empire region in Southern California (the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario-Palm Springs area) is the US' largest metropolitan area without a major league sports team, but they are considered part of the Greater Los Angeles area (L.A. and Anaheim in Orange County) sports market. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:8CE3:33F8:10A3:5BB8 ( talk) 20:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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From 1955 to 1972, Cabazon was incorporated, and one of the very few California communities to disband their city. Cabazon discussed reincorporation in the 2000s and still, they remain without a city council. 67.49.89.214 ( talk) 13:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
San Bernardino (1st-over 100,000 residents), Victorville (9th-over 100,000) and Desert Hot Springs (1st of cities of all populations) are among the top 10 cities with the highest crime rates in California (2015-16), while Palm Springs surpassed Compton near L.A. which is known for high crime activity for decades. 67.49.89.214 ( talk) 10:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
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