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Whoever wrote the article has written it from the POV of a fan, rather than from an encyclopedic viewpoint. In its current state, the article is as factual as it should be.
Additionally, It should be worth pruning out every accomplishment the band achieves and only mentioning articles worthy of an encyclopedia. With the 50 news articles linked to this before there is probably someone working for or in the band trying to make this place an ad for the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.249.220 ( talk) 18:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you blame em? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.59.75 ( talk) 08:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Another contributor deleted the "2012 Tour" section. I was thinking a person with an account could make a page on the tour. I think this would work because I have looked at some other artists with pages, and they have a dedicated page to only the Tours.-- 98.125.249.154 ( talk) 03:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
well...there is over 100k possible answers...
heres the link:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Imagine+Dragons&t=1000&a=n
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pretty sure it's Raiding Mangoes 110.33.165.72 ( talk) 07:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I've been wondering about the origin of the band name since recently overhearing a character in a Thomas & Friends episode my kid was watching saying something about imagining dragons. I have no basis upon which to conclude that was the source, of course. Have they themselves mentioned how they got the name in any interviews or elsewhere? 71.63.69.193 ( talk) 13:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
INTRODUCTION BY PAUL ERIK: There has been edit warring on this article for a while now, and no discussion opened on the talk page. I have protected the article for the time being. I ask both sides please to refrain from calling the other side's edits "vandalism" when it could well be a disagreement in good faith. Some editors—see this edit for example—take issue with the "non-informational" opinions in the lead of the article comparing the band's sound to other bands. The same editor, or set of editors, takes issue with the description of the band forming in Utah, as that is characterized as "inaccurate" or as not telling the full story of the various early band members. I am taking no opinion as to which version of the article is better, but hope that a discussion here might bring about a better consensus. Thanks everyone. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
//SAM ARGUES FOR LAS VEGAS —I am one of the (apparently several) people who has been engaged in the back and forth of editing this page. Paul, thanks for initiating this much needed discussion. I am also one of the people who has been accused of "vandalism," which couldn't be further from the truth. There are two sections that I take issue with. The first is the introduction about the band's music commonly being referred to as positive and uplifting in lyrics, etc. I'm not taking umbrage with the description of the music, though it's only one person's subjective take on it (others might say it is dark at times, and it certainly runs the spectrum of emotions). My problem is that an editor is clearly projecting a very narrow perspective/opinion on the music in the guise of "this is a true and important fact worth including in this article." The author posts the same two articles as references, both obscure clips from religious news outlets or blogs. In my time following the band (having read many, many articles), I have never seen this as a recurring theme, let alone even mentioned anywhere else. So it feels like more than a stretch to say their music is "commonly described" as something, particularly as a lead line in introducing curious readers to an encyclopedic article on an artist. To say the music is positive is not untrue - but to say it is "commonly described" as such and to lead the article with it is both weird and inaccurate. It's not factual.
The second issue I've had with this back and forth involves the story of the band's origins. It's true that there is some merit to both arguments about the band's origins - it appears that the user who has been promulgating the "Utah" perspective also lives there. So I assume there is some allegiance to that story. But not only does the band claim that they originated in Las Vegas (as is found in 99% of the articles I've ever seen about the band, their own website, etc.), but it appears that the facts do not bear up the story that keeps being posted here. Of the current four band members, only one of them ever attended school in Utah (and only for a short time). Most of those members did not really join until they "formed" in Vegas (at least as the band explains it). Not only that, the band did not originate with the Tolmans as they suggest. There were earlier members not mentioned here, and a more complicated storyline. So complicated, in fact, that it seems far more complex than merits a full description in the article. Suffice it to say, it's better to omit the intricacies of their formation than to have misinformation. The current iteration is inaccurate. Furthermore, Theresa did not join at the same time as Platzman, nor was she ever a member of the band. She was a touring musician who played with them for some time, much like Ryan plays with them currently. I could go on, but you get the point.
I believe the person on people on the other side of this issue is acting in a heartfelt manner, but they are misguided. I can't speak for the others who have been on my side of the fence (clearly there are a few, both here and abroad), but I assume they keep deleting these sections for the same reason as myself. As someone who has followed the band since their early days, I am 100% confident that I have this story straight. But I'm more than willing to hear the other side speak their mind (though why would they now that you've locked the page with their edits?? hopefully, you do not keep the lock on).
Best, Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 ( talk • contribs) 02:24, 18 April 2013
Paul thanks for your reasoned approach. Certainly it's fair to ask for citations to back up this position. Here's the first few I found searching below - ironically, the ones that I find that contradict these all clearly are citing the wikipedia article (as evidenced by use of the exact same language and having other wikipedia quotes next to them). It's a bit circular, but a lot of people rely on wikipedia for their primary source about bands - so the fact that someone has repeatedly added this to the band's "history" here has in fact created the very articles they are citing. Does that make sense? Anyway, here's some references that I believe fully clear up the matter:
Now I could go on and on, but you get the picture. I think the most telling articles are not the ones that simply say "where they are from," but rather describe the process of the band's origin. They show both (a) why some people like to say they are from utah (because the lead singer was attending school around the time that he decided to form a band back in vegas, where they all moved), and (b) why they really are technically from vegas, where the "band" itself was born. All this said, I know you can find plenty of articles that say they were formed in Provo. But you will also find that 90% of those articles use these exact verbatim words: "Las Vegas-based indie rockers Imagine Dragons formed in Provo, Utah in 2009" - where did this quote come from? You guessed it: wikipedia. Sadly, it is wikipedia itself that has thrown off the narrative of this band's history. And I'm just hoping to make it right. Hope that's helpful.
Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 ( talk) 05:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
//FRANK ARGUES FOR PROVO, UTAH Thank you for initiating this discussion. I am one of the people that have been trying to build band history/formation info within this article. I have no agenda other than to provide accurate, objective information. And for the record, I do not live in Utah or Nevada, nor am I particularly a fan of the band- I am completely objective here.
From my research it is quite clear that this band formed in Provo, UT and moved to Las Vegas, NV some time before they achieved broad success. On top of that, there was an overhaul of about half its members sometime after said move. Any accurate/complete article would include all this info- I have been adding the relevant and supported details I can find (i.e., they formed in Utah and were considered a college band, initially won several local competitions, etc.) I would love for somebody to fill in the rest (e.g., when they moved, when the various members joined/left, etc.) but instead they just keep deleting the supported research that I was able to provide...deleting the entire history section makes no sense- almost seems as if it’s being done by somebody who has an agenda of hiding the band’s history altogether.
Also I realize there are plenty of sources stating the band is "from", or "based in" Las Vegas, but fewer say they originated there- and those that do, don't seem to include any actual details of the band’s formation (whereas the 'Utah' sources do).
Further, for every source saying this band originated in Las Vegas, there seem to be two stating the band originated in Utah; likewise many stating the band consisted mostly of BYU students. For example:
Please allow for an article to be built with a complete and accurate background/history: formation, original lineup, personnel changes, geographical moves, etc., in addition to recording/release and touring info. Any decent Wikipedia band article contains all of this.
- Frank Jollyneedles11 ( talk) 07:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello! It's nice to see that wikipedia is stepping in on this constant dispute over Imagine Dragons hometown. I have followed the band for years, almost 4 now to be precise. I read all the interviews and would describe myself as a dedicated fan. While that doesn't make me an outside source, it certainly qualifies me as someone who has met the band on many occasions and even has "Imagine Dragons" as a google alert :) Needless to say, I believe to find myself a verified source for all things concerning the "Dragons". The band itself claims Las Vegas to be their hometown. This can be found in every single interview I have read. I have never read any interview where the band cites Provo, Utah as their home. I HAVE read articles from either Utah-based blogs or the Salt Lake Tribune that claims that Imagine Dragons is from Utah. This is understandable, as they are merely trying to have the pride of one of the biggest rock bands being from their homebase. However, the claim is false and not backed by the band.
THERE IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE GUITARIST, WAYNE SERMON, SPEAKING OF THE ORIGINS OF THE BAND: "I moved thereafter I met Dan (Reynolds), the lead singer. He is a third-generation Las Vegas guy. So he's from there and we tried to start the band there. Obviously, there's so many bands that start in Portland or Seattle, so we started the band in Vegas and we've been there ever since." "Our band formed on June 1, 2009. That's when we all moved to Vegas and started rehearsing. Our first show was six days later and it was at this place in Vegas called the Sinister Rock Bar." http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/may/03/the-time-is-now-for-imagine-dragons/#ixzz2QoOSDzaL
DIRECT QUOTE FROM BASS PLAYER, BEN MCKEE, SPEAKING OF ORGINS OF THE BAND: “We grew up in Vegas,” McKee says. “We became the band we are in Vegas.” http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2012/jul/19/rise-prominence-imagine-dragons-proves-it-can-pack/#ixzz2QoTblCQ1
That is straight from the mouth of the band, and I can find tons more articles from the band itself saying the same thing. Utah claims them because Dan attended school there for a year (He ALSO attended UNLV). YES, Dan played with other musicians in Utah before starting Imagine Dragons (Andrew Tolman and Brittany Tolman, as well as Andrew Beck and Aurora Florence and MANY other musicians in the area) but neither he nor anyone else involved with the band has ever said anything about that being the official start of "Imagine Dragons".
THIS ARTICLE BEST EXPLAINS HOW IMAGINE DRAGONS STARTED: All five musicians were in school not even a year ago. Reynolds and the Tolmans were attending Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. Bassist Ben McKee and guitarist (Daniel) Wayne Sermon were across the country at Boston's Berklee School of Music. Andrew, a jazz drummer, knew Sermon, who was interested in playing with the three BYU students. He talked his pal McKee not only incoming aboard, but dropping out of Berklee for the band. They quickly wrote a batch of songs -- and decided to move to Las Vegas, Reynolds's birthplace, in June 2009. Within their first week in Sin City, they had a gig lined up at Sinister Rock Bar on East Flamingo Road. Another quickly followed at the Hard Rock Cafe on Paradise Road, where former CityLife staffer Dave Surratt was so taken with the band's energy and musical professionalism, he wrote a feature story on the newbie band the following week. http://archives.lasvegascitylife.com/articles/2010/03/11/music/fear_and_lounging/iq_34736470.txt
LAST FM LISTS THEIR ORGIN AS LAS VEGAS: Imagine Dragons are an alternative rock band which formed in 2008 in Las Vegas, Nevada, United States. http://www.last.fm/music/The+Lumineers/+similar
ITUNES SHOWS THEM AS BEING FROM VEGAS: Hailing from Las Vegas, Imagine Dragons create a sound that mirrors their hometown’s contrast of the constructed (glimmering buildings) with the natural (majestic desert). https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/night-visions/id555694735
EVERY SINGLE MAJOR WEBSITE LISTS THEM AS BEING FROM VEGAS.
I can give you more sources if needed coming directly from the mouth of the band. I have to respectfully disagree with JollyNeedles about finding 2 sources claiming Imagine Dragons is from Utah for every 1 source saying they are from Vegas. That is simply untrue. Nearly EVERY single article I ever read concerning the Dragons shows them hailing AND originating in Las Vegas, with the exceptions being those that either hail from Utah, quote wikipedias incorrect citing, or a quote from Imagine Dragons taken out of context (as Jollyneedles did above).
Thanks for correcting this! Let me know if you need any more evidence, I love all things concerning these boys and they deserve all the success they are having!
Sincerely, Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.30.184 ( talk) 11:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
One more thing. It seems that the main argument here is based on where Imagine Dragons ORIGINATED. Just because some of the original members went to school in Utah does not mean that is where the band STARTED. A band begins when they move to a location together, start practicing and they play their first show. If that wasn't the case, then you should also say the band ORIGINATED in Boston at Berklee because Wayne and Ben went there. But wait? That wouldn't be correct would it? And thus, saying that they originated in Utah just because SOME of the original members MET there doesn't mean thats where they started.
Sincerely, Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.30.184 ( talk) 11:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I can say firsthand that Imagine Dragons originated in Utah, or at least were based there for a time. I saw them live there multiple times in 2008-2009 and they always introduced themselves as a local band...they were well known as one of the top local bands at that time. I updated this page with the info I had, and included a reference but the entire band background was deleted within a day. Seems like someone is trying to control this page and show no background info on this band other than their actual work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.100.4 ( talk) 16:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
To me, the most reasonable approach is to look at as many of these questions as possible, coupled with the band's own statements about where "they" believe the story for them began (surely as a result of the answers to these very questions). The current lineup's history playing together, what they consider their "first real show," the first time they all lived together, and the birthplace of all their recorded music, all point to Las Vegas. I suppose that's why they claim it. Now they may have gone to Utah for stints of time, perhaps while Dan was finishing up his first year of school there - and they definitely did play shows there early on. But they also got their chops playing local dives and hotels in vegas (where i saw them play first!), living together in the city for the first time, holding their first rehearsals, and otherwise learning to become the band they are now. In all objectivity, the balance points to Vegas. That's my take based on the body of facts at our disposal. Despite what jollyneedles claims, clearly the more detailed accounts (many of which have been posted) explain the (admittedly complicated) reasons that most articles say they are from Vegas, despite the fact that they have a long history with utah. That's my take, but i leave it to Paul to moderate on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 ( talk) 17:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
A lot of info and references have come up in all of these discussions- much appreciated, and I have to wonder how or why so much of this formation/background info never made its way into the article?? There are clearly people here with a lot of info (and passion) on the topic. Though I do have to question Jamie's assertion that I took a quote from Imagine Dragons out of context....it is verbatim directly from the article, and does not conflict with anything else in the article.
This seems to be a case of a band having various iterations; though they played under the Imagine Dragons name in 2008, their current nucleus formed in mid 2009. And all of this goes back to the point I have been trying to make...that it's all part of the band's history and background, and should be documented in the article. It's not necessarily a question of defining 'where' they formed, rather providing the facts and relevant details.
- Frank
. Jollyneedles11 ( talk) 19:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
That sounds like a good plan Paul. I'll try to put something together as a proposal that hopefully addresses Frank's concerns above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 ( talk) 21:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I made a brief proposed paragraph (sans references for now, but i promise to add them in if we all feel good about the draft) in sandbox 1. Frank, Paul, Jamie, and anyone else, please give it a look and let me know your thoughts? Also, I haven't heard any response on the description of the music as positive and uplifting discussion - are we ok to omit that given the points i made above?
-Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 ( talk) 22:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Revised version with Frank's edits:
Lead singer Dan Reynolds, a Las Vegas native, met guitarist Wayne Sermon in 2008 in Utah, where Dan was attending school and Wayne was living after graduating from Berklee School of Music. After going through various lineups, the band was established in Las Vegas with Dan and Wayne joining Ben McKee, Andrew Tolman, and Brittany Tolman. The band lived together in Las Vegas, where they recorded and released their first three EPs. in 2011, Andrew and Brittany Tolman left Imagine Dragons and were replaced by current drummer Daniel Platzman.
24.234.156.60 ( talk) 22:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The current sandbox paragraph looks much better to me than any of the previous iterations I've seen. Though the 'formed in Vegas' might still be a point of contention for some- which could be diffused with more ambiguous language like "ultimately settled" or "established itself"... I'm just mentioning this in attempt to avoid another escalation/merry-go-round of changes from some contributors out there.
As for the 'positive/optimistic' topic: there was a prior iteration from some other contributor(s) which I felt was ridiculously subjective, and had religion woven into the topic...so I re-worded it, on at least 2 occasions, in a more objective way. Overall I do feel that musical and lyrical style are appropriate topics to address in an article like this, and further that they do belong in the overview/intro section. And I know that several analyses out there of ImDragons' lyrical style do indeed call it 'positive' or 'optimistic' (particularly when comparing to other current indie bands). If this is totally false then fine...I would recommend coming up with a better assessment and/or better wording if needed.
- Frank
. Jollyneedles11 ( talk) 00:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
24.253.116.242 ( talk) 03:38, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
//CAJ27: The above edit ("Revised version with Frank's edits") doesn't work for me because it neglects to say PROVO. In you think being specific about the city is bad, then why would you say Las Vegas instead of Nevada? Writing should be parallel as much as possible--it's more logical that way. The band was in one city and then went to another city (Provo to Vegas). The another parallel option is the band was in a state and then went to another state (Utah to Nevada), but that option sucks because it needlessly conveys less information.
Regarding the band's assertions in recent articles, it doesn't matter what the band says about where it "started." I don't really care about where the band says it is "from" in the past couple years. That's somewhat subjective and very much according to the band members' preferences. What matters is the facts about their first shows and where they had their earliest fan base. The band had it's origins in Provo, Utah and where many of the members grew-up and went to school; the band members even admitted to that in past publications.
I will post some citations to support my position that PROVO is where they started:
Notice that he said Velour was a "second-home", not Provo and not Utah, as asserted by a pro-Vegas editor in this talk page. The band had no fans until Velour helped them start in Provo, UT. While Velour was their "second-home", the "first home" was the place where they kept all their clothes and showered, probably. Like where you pay to live or where your parents live. Like your mailing address for bills and bank account statements. I see no reason to interpret this as "Las Vegas was our first home and Provo, UT was our second home."
You can even watch this 24-minute documentary that the band made with BYUtv where the lead singer talks about putting his band together for the BYU Battle of the Bands and giving it the name "Imagine Dragons." For those who don't know, BYU is located in PROVO, UT. Reynolds says that he wasn't sure he wanted to be a professional musician until he put his band together, named it Imagine Dragons, and then subsequently won BYU's Battle of the Bands. At that point he knew he wanted Imagine Dragons to be his primary professional focus. http://www.byutv.org/watch/46c7d58c-fc1d-4a6d-a5e7-636c96b75b84/audio-files-imagine-dragons
Notice also that I am not arguing to change the very top of the article where the band is listed as "from Las Vegas". But still, the article is most accurrate when it states that the band started in Provo, UT.
Caj27 ( talk) 15:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
//Heyo - I haven't been a part of this last Wikipedia dialogue (though Frank and I were a part of the discussions that started this page). Is this whole conversation about saying Utah vs. saying Provo, Utah? Seems like being specific is always better to me. I don't know that your account of events is entirely correct though (e.g. the band had no fans outside of velour when they started - definitely not true at all, as I know from my personal experience). It seems like you take some liberties in your interpretation of the band quotes above. Being truly as objective as I can here, I think your point about putting the city name is a good one, but otherwise the prior language seemed accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 ( talk) 03:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
// CAJ27 speaks: So after seeing reversion edits removing references to BYU but not to Berkley School of Music references, I started to get suspicious. What I found changed my presumption of good faith for other editors: I looked up the IP address on some of the editors, and the locations were the same places as where the band was touring that exact day (for example, some city I've never heard of in Denmark). So basically, I think the band or its agents are trying to selectively revise the band's history for marketing purposes. I seriously doubt anyone from Las Vegas would revise it in that particular way. This evidence is enough to rebut the presumption of good faith. Deleting Brigham Young University systematically while never editing other schools is a bad-faith sign. Do any of the editors seriously believe that BYU is not part of the band's history?
You can even watch this 24-minute documentary that the band made with BYUtv where the lead singer talks about putting his band together for the BYU Battle of the Bands and giving it the name "Imagine Dragons." http://www.byutv.org/watch/46c7d58c-fc1d-4a6d-a5e7-636c96b75b84/audio-files-imagine-dragons Caj27 ( talk) 15:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I placed my suggested wording in the sandbox #2.
— Preceding signed comment added by Caj27 ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Paul Erik (talk), I also want to note here that similar discrimination is happening on the page for the lead singer, Dan Reynolds. Any time I add information about his attendance at BYU or even that he served as a volunteer missionary, it is quickly removed. How do we lock the article and build consensus through discussion there? Caj27 ( talk) 15:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I think editors were making the edit to describe the music as uplifting because Dan Reynolds described it this way. He also cited inspiration from particular bands.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1011&sid=18941587
Paul Erik (talk), so considering that both pages (band page and Dan Reynolds page) are now unlocked, and I've edited both pages to match the logical consensus of the talk pages, should I do anything else besides keep checking to see if edits are made appropriately? And what should I do if I observe another edit war? So far I haven't seen anything logical in the consensus discussions regarding the edits that other users have reverted. Thanks! Caj27 ( talk) 16:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Well it looks like the edit-warring has already started again where editors are removing any references to BYU and Provo. Also the Dan Reynolds page is being edited in an oddly discriminatory manner. What can I do? Caj27 ( talk) 16:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
//Hey guys, Sam here again (from the original editing of this talk page). Erik, as always, good to see your steady hand on this. I don't know who has been involved in the back and forth on the page the last month or so (not me), but I'm happy to offer an alternative perspective to Caj27, especially as I don't see anyone on the other side of the fence here. I'm in las vegas, and would disagree with some of your contentions here, simply because they don't make sense to me. I already put in my 2 cents on the whole Provo thing above (I don't know why it couldn't say Provo, Utah rather than Utah), but I don't think any of your quotes or arguments bore up the idea that Provo was their sole genesis or merited more mention than it already had.
The whole "inspirational lyrics thing" also felt like a stretch to me. I'd rather we didn't put words in their mouths simply by quoting one religious paper that proffered a subjective opinion about their lyrics being uplifting, etc. I've watched tons of interviews, and the most I can gather from them is that they try to write from an honest place, sometimes positive, sometimes negative. I imagine they hope the net effect is motivating to people, as Dan said in that article you quoted, but I think going beyond that or making that a focal point is to project opinion on what should be an informative article. Anyway, that's my thoughts on it. I'll see if i can contact whoever is doing the back and forth as well to see if we can't all come to some reasonable consensus rather than fight over language. No idea about the personal page for the lead singer, I haven't been an editor on that. But i sympathize with whoever has been making the edits that i see as the subject of this discussion... My 2 cents anyway. - Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 ( talk) 03:14, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
//Sorry, sam again - one last thought. I also don't think the "commonly compared to the Killers" line seemed accurate. I'd put my level of Imagine Dragons research on par with anyone, and I can only recall maybe one, two tops times that was mentioned (and really just in the context of them being from vegas). The bands don't seem all that similar to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.116.242 ( talk) 18:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Paul and all involved in this discussion. Paul, my apologies for not citing my revisions to the page. I was simply changing the page back to reflect the language agreed to on the discussion page about the band's formation. Someone has been taking liberties here and this section should read as reverted here re: the findings and agreement of the moderated discussion. In no way are my edits meant to offend or omit details that others see as being crucial to the formation of the band. However, I do believe that the formation section should not be evolving over time since it's in the past and there has already been an incredible amount of bath and forth - with a resolution that is not being observed by many editors. In the future I will be sure to cite "as per previous findings and the agreement of the moderated discussion" when making changes. One last thing - I agree with Sam that there are very few similarities between The Killers and Imagine Dragons aside from that they are both Vegas based bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbpr627 ( talk • contribs) 19:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
//SAM RESPONDING TO Caj27 and Dbpr627 Caj27 - looks like we are pretty much on the same page here - thanks for the clear explanations and insight. I've changed it back to Provo, Utah, and imagine Dbpr27 can pipe in if he or she feels like there is merit for not keeping it. As for the inspirational lyrics argument, I see where you are coming from. I would disagree on a couple points here. Basically, there are two reasons that I think this inclusion is inappropriate here. First, to elaborate on my point about it being a religious paper. I never indicated Dan was misquoted - but I do believe that taking one word from a single religiously-owned paper to extrapolate a generality about an artist's music leads to inaccurate conclusions. Here, the full quote said "I think we try to write music that takes the listener through a whole range of emotions. Some songs are sad, some are uplifting, some are introspective." This is on point with every other article I've found on the subject. It's hard for me to understand how, in a short article about a band, it's accurate to say their music and lyrics are often described as uplifting, by citing a single reference that gives equal weight to "sad" and "introspective." See where I'm coming from? I just don't want the article to devolve into the subjective. If there were tons of articles saying "these guys write uplifting music", I'd get it - but that sounds more like Josh Groban. Seems more like their music is described as personal and emotive than anything else. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.156.60 ( talk) 21:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
The recently created (by a new user) Ben McKee article is basically a copy-and-paste of information from this article. As it stands there is no reason for there to be a separate article. Spidey 104 03:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that the introductory section for the band is very short, which is odd for a band this big. I am going to expand the section (I'm looking at Arcade Fire/Muse as examples)and I will make sure that it falls within the Wiki rules. — Jivekicks ( talk) 01:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion at WP:COIN, but a major contributor to this article has a significant, undisclosed COI. Kevin Gorman ( talk) 21:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I just changed the wording of "Ben McKay" to "Ben Mckee" as it should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.107.2 ( talk) 19:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Has the issue been resolved yet? It is plainly obvious to anyone who compares (as partly evidenced by the person below) the Imagine Dragons page with any other rock band page that the writing is consistent with that of any other rock group. It includes a fan view of the activities Imagine Dragons have participated in including music released/chart performance, tours taken, and awards given/nominated for.-- 50.170.22.128 ( talk) 21:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
would like indie-pop added to genre, as it is more fitting with various reviews of the band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.227.52.100 ( talk) 15:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
-Also "Pop rock" should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.113.112.90 ( talk) 23:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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Today, Imagine Dragons lead singer, Dan Reynolds, announced that the band were starting to work on their second album. Rjvollert ( talk) 22:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Interscope. Enough said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.118.60 ( talk) 20:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Indie doesn't mean independent...? Contactman7 ( talk) 23:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
And in what way are they independent? Same way as every second chart-topping popular artist? 185.219.77.106 ( talk) 09:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Imagine Dragons. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
The band's genre should be corrected. IMO saying that they're rock is just misleading. Maybe they could be classified as indie but they sound muuuuch closer to electronic music than rock or even alt-rock, just listen to their songs. And i don't know why some people in the media call them rock, i think that is just wrong. What do you think?
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OK, so i can't really change a thing without it being removed. Imagine Dragons are a lot of Genres:
We really to expand our views on their genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clawraich (Dalek) ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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What is the criteria for sourcing genres? It seems that there's no oversight whatsoever on whether the source is reputable or accurate in any way, so long as it simply mentions a specific genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits ( talk • contribs) 01:28, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
The timeline appears to be broken and I haven't a clue how to fix it. There are grey lines streaking from the centre top across and obscuring the names of Dan, Andrew and Wayne. Wodgester ( talk) 08:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
What is the band's primary genre, the one we print in the first sentence? I think we should say they are a rock band, as by far the most sources say rock versus some other genre. Binksternet ( talk) 17:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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The guideline at Template:Infobox_musical_artist#genre says "Aim for generality" and "preferably use two to four" genres in the infobox. At the moment, we have six:
I propose removing two of these to reduce the number to four. The genre least connected to the band is electropop, which is not widely seen in sources. (The article shows four sources, but only one calls the band electropop. The other three describe various songs as electropop: "Thunder", "Bad Liar" and "Boomerang") If we were choosing between pop and electropop, pop satisfies "aim for generality".
Of the remaining genres, the band has been described as indie pop, indie rock and alternative rock, but all of these are similar. Only one of them should be chosen to represent the band. I would choose alternative rock as the least represented. Binksternet ( talk) 15:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Strong voice but also body 2402:3A80:1C1C:5C8F:D757:83A1:DB97:56EA ( talk) 06:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Imagine Dragons initially formed in Provo, Utah, and there are multiple sources on this- however there are no sources linking the formation to Las Vegas, Nevada. The introduction to the page is misleading (and contradictory to the history of the band as stated later in the article) as it states that they are from Las Vegas, Nevada. I believe that this is a necessary change to the article as when you attempt to look up where they are from, this article is linked and shares the information that they are from Las Vegas, which is incorrect. WDJam ( talk) 21:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
an American pop rock band based in Las Vegas(change in italic). Makes sense as the majority of sources I look at call them a Las Vegas band, whereas where they formed can be explained in detail in the early years section. Schazjmd (talk) 22:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
The way the article is currently written, it implies that playing the Train slot at that 2009 festival let directly to their rise. Per this Las Vegas Review-Journal article, there's more to the story regarding their touring with Nico Vega and playing other big shows. Would be worth rewriting that paragraph to include this. QuietHere ( talk) 00:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I've been aware of this reddit post for a while showing an MTV interview with Dan Reynolds, and he officially states that "I never wrote one song for any Spider-Man musical". A few other posts also mention this MTV interview, although they share the same problem I have: I can't seem to find any official recording of this interview. Is someone able to help? LegendFinder ( talk) 21:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
@
GustavoCza:, I think you're misreading In 2011, shortly after graduating from Berklee, Platz joined previous collaborators Ben McKee and Wayne Sermon and vocalist Dan Reynolds as the drummer for Imagine Dragons.
[13] In the context of that sentence, I think it's saying these were musicians he had previously collaborated with before joining the band. I don't see it as an official statement that he's left the band.
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In 2011, shortly after graduating from Berklee, Platz reunited with previous collaborators Ben McKee and Wayne Sermon, and vocalist Dan Reynolds as the drummer for Imagine Dragons.[14] With that punctuation, it was clearly saying McKee and Sermon were previous collaborators with Platzman, and that he joined those "previous collaborators" and Reynolds in Imagine Dragons. Schazjmd (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)