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I am changing "Jewesses" to "Jewish women" and "Jewesses were outraged" to "Jewish women were raped." (I think that's what "Jewesses were outraged" means).75.84.97.215 02:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Why did you make such an assumption? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tashfine ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Why has the category, Jews of West Africa, deleted? Is not Morocco part of West Africa? This seems cut and dry NPOV. Dogru144 18:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Last edits by 84.109.96.88 look a bit POV and w/o any source. The use of the term heroic is certainly a POV one. The other thing is that the additions lack any reference or sources like "the adopted arab son who btrayed her..." I'll fix that and wait for any sources to revert it back as per 84.109.96.88 edits -- Svest 21:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up ®
Has anyone information, why the jewish population between 1948 and today has shrunk to less than 0,5% what it was beforehand? (a little over a thousand jews remain in Marroko in 2023) That is a very steep decline and the people who moved out of Marroka a very likely still alive, so I hope for some of them having said something about this or can write something about this here? I find this a relevant topic, since some pro Israel commentators have brought up the steep decline of the jewish population in muslim/arab countries in the last 70+ years, but I wasn't able to find out, why that minority vanished in those countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:D65:B600:945B:4D0F:B621:BE99 ( talk) 14:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
I thank you for the article, but I think it is very biased and even might be ideologically-motivated.
If the Jews of Morocco were so badly treated in the whole moroccan history, how come they lived there until the mid 20th century ??
Also saying that Moroccan citizens of jewish obedience are badly treated now in Morocco is very biased. There are some racists like everywhere but they are highly respected by the majority.
The article cited André Azoulay but forgot to tell about Abraham Serfaty and his role in fighting for a democratic Morocco.
The title should be changed to “the suffering of Jews in Morocco” because you only provide stories about any kind of suffering. Moreover, I’m pretty sceptical about the source of information you’re using. Overall, very biased article.
I think there should be some refernce material to the Jewish peoples during Moorish rule. It seems a bit unrealistic that the Jewish people were treated severely. Espicially when there is historic evidence showing the opposite. I think there should e additional evidence showing the positive as well as the negative.-- Gnosis 02:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Some one wrote "the intolerent almohads". This is not objective. Even if they are vey hostile to the jews, they cannot be named like as that. They would be called "anti-jews". Because the almohads were very open-minded to give fruits like as averroes. I would also like to add that that i'm tired of reading articles where there has been complained about the anti-judaism; Were is the pro-judaism? Where are the reason of that result [Collaboration with the enemies and their orientation to Israel while living in another country, i suppose]? The article is also not well structured, i find Read3r 13:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Please forgive my ignorance if that is the source of my confusion, but it seems to me that many of the citations given in this article are not complete, let alone verifiable. For example, consider citation number 4:
Marcus Fischer, l.c. pp. 32 et seq.
What, exactly, is l.c.? Again, it's been a while since I've had to include a formal citation, but it seems to me that this example (and many if not most others in this artical) lacks critical information to qualify as verifiable. Unsigned comment by User:67.155.210.46
The difference is that "ibid" occurs on its own (in other words it refers to exactly the same passage) while "loc. cit." is followed by a page or paragraph number, and refers to another identified place within the same overall passage. Hope this helps. -- Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) 22:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I have read claims that in Morocco, antisemitic riots in the late fourties and fifties targeted mainly Sephardim, while the overall attitude towards Mizrahim remained comparatively relaxed. Is that a hoax or is there any serious reality behind this story? (I would be thankful about a mail, as I don't regularly check my wikipedia account). Thank you. Jakob Stevo 03:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a reference should be made to Haketiya. This Spanish-based dialect was spoken in Tangiers and Tetouan. Not to be confused with Ladino, another Spanish-based dialect, but spoken by Jews living in Turkey, Bulgaria and Greece. Judeo-Spanish is a term that encompasses both dialects, but they're actually quite different, although almost wholly intercomprehensible with each other and, to a somewhat lesser degree (but not much lesser) with Standard Spanish. -- Abenyosef 21:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
What were they named again? I don't know if it's mentioned in the article. I can't believe I forgot the name and I was living next to one. Jews here were ran out from Chefchaouen. It's late so I don't have no one to ask -.- Sabertooth 03:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh yea! A Mellah. Sabertooth 03:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Do we need this list of surnames on this article? It seems off-topic, and there is already a link to the list of Jews from Morocco. nadav 12:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This is poor, shoddy scholarship, in line with the wild speculation and generalizations that are made in many Wikipedia articles. Haaretz articles and editorials simply cannot be used as primary sources for complex historical events that require professional historical research. This is a mistake that Wikipedia articles relating to Jews and Israel make time and time and time again, and show no signs of improvement. What exactly transpired in World War 2 between King Mohammed V and the Vichy authorities is not known for certain, but is under investigation by serious historians, and it has not as yet been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the King took or was compelled to take some sort of pro-active action to rescue Moroccan Jews from danger, or that the Vichy French administration asked the King to help extend their anti-Jewish legislations beyond the European Jews living in Morocco to the Moroccan Jews themselves. It is known that the Vichy French targetted Jews living in the European quarters under their direct rule. They expelled many Moroccan Jews living in those quarters to the mellahs, and a sent a number of European Jews living in those quarters to slave labor camps in the Moroccan desert. But, as Morocco was a protectorate and not a Departement (like Algeria), it is not at all clear that the Vichy French administration was busying itself with the task of segregating Jews from Moslems among the Moroccan subjects of King Mohammed V. Nor is it clear that if the Vichy French had really wanted to extend their racist laws thus, the King could have done anything to stop them. Your article fails to provide a convincing analysis. J.D.
I am interested in this - if you take religious superstitions out of the picture, then is in't it true that moroccan jews are essentially ARABS - their genetics, their dna is arabian, no? they are closer to arabs than to the european jews. and on the subject of european jews - what is the genetic makeup of say russian jews? if you forget about the religious crap - what are the genetics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.254.102 ( talk) 23:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You can see my rationale and comment at Talk:Moroccan Jewry#Merger proposal. I'll be bold and do the merging myself if there are no objections in the next few days. NickDupree ( talk) 06:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
deleted the yellow star sentence, as Vichy never implemented this law. It was a German decree in the occupied zone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnificent7 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
You think a newspaper is a reliable source? Check every history book about Vichy France instead of a newspaper. "Mohammed V rejected orders set out by France's collaborationist Vichy government as early as 1940. He refused to make the 200,000 Jews then living in Morocco wear yellow stars, as they did in France" is just a legend. Vichy France refused the Yellow star to manage public opinion. Just don't get me wrong, It's nothing about being less harsh on Vichy measures (instead of the Yellow star, they enforced a law in december 1942 about a red rubber stamp ('JEW') on the identites documents for Jews in France. By this time North Africa - except for Tunisia where German army was present and enforced Yellow star measures - wasn't under Vichy law anymore. If you read french, check this page http://pagesperso-orange.fr/d-d.natanson/etoile_juive.htm
The book talked about here might be useful for this article. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 14:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Tashfine writes:
Tom Harrison Talk 18:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The way things are phrases and the language used in this article are really biased. It doesn't read like an encyclopedic article at all. 70.187.179.139 ( talk) 20:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Talk:Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Overlap_with_.22History_of_the_Jews_in....22_articles. Oncenawhile ( talk) 10:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I have an issue with "When the Jews began to disperse throughout the Roman empire after the dissolution of the Jewish state in 70 CE ..." The Jews did not begin to disperse in 70 CE. There was a huge Jewish diaspora existing in Hellenic times, two centuries before the Great Revolt ( First Jewish–Roman War)of 70 CE - see http://classes.maxwell.syr.edu/his301-001/jeishh_diaspora_in_greece.htm. If no rebuttal is forthcoming, I will clarify the text. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 11:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Nagatori, so there's a few issues with the edit you reverted. The first is that independent of any accuracy concerns, the information is out of order: we have long and detailed sections about first the Almoravids and then the Almohads in the following subsections, we don't need an additional paragraph about them prior to those sections, and we shouldn't be discussing the Almohads prior to the Almoravids. The second issue is that this content isn't supported by sources: the Jewish virtual library citation backing up the claim that Jews were deported to Algeria says nothing about Algeria or deportation. The next paragraph describes the Almoravids and Almohads as "fanatic Muslim sects", a description which could apply to the Almohads, but not to the Almoravids––in fact, this claim is directly contradicted by content in this article, in the Almoravid section. The cited source for the at-issue content once again does not back the claims made.
Finally, I have concerns about accuracy elsewhere in the article: the sections on the early sultans of the Alaouite dynasty appear to directly contradict
this source. According to the current revision of this article The Jews suffered much during the great conquests of Moulay Rashid
, but according to
JVL, Mulay al-Rashid...was backed by the Jews of the Taza...[and] subsequently adopted a favorable attitude toward the Jews.
. The claims in this article for that section are backed by 18th century (offline) French sources, whose actual text I have no way to access, and whose reliability I would doubt regardless. signed,
Rosguill
talk 17:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
In 1033, several thousand jews were massacred in the city of Fez when the town was conquered by a Berber tribe. How can such an omission happen in such an article? Lack of historical knowledge? Or was this omitted on purpose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1206:456F:E3A0:59AE:A959:B068:7778 ( talk) 07:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
There are many sources, e.g., Israr Hasan, Believers and Brothers - a History of Uneasy Relationship. Bloomington 2009, p. 99; to mention only one. Check the Wiki article about the Fez massacre, and you will find others. The article 'masacre de Fez' in the Spanish Wiki is also worth reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1206:456F:E3A0:59AE:A959:B068:7778 ( talk) 10:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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The article says “and unlike the Muslim population French remains the main (and, in many cases, the exclusive) language of members of the Jewish community there.” I grew up in Morocco in the 50’s and 60’s my mother was a Jewish Moroccan from a well known family in Casablanca my experience is that they, as well as most Jewish Moroccans I came in contact with (of her generation ) spoke mostly in Arabic, followed by spanish and french. 2603:8001:9A00:F078:818D:E24:684D:37DD ( talk) 04:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)