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@ PointsofNoReturn and Ɱ: I think it's at GA quality already, so I just nominated this article for GA status. Are you guys fine with being co-nominators? epicgenius ( talk) 18:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@ PointsofNoReturn, Ɱ, and Epicgenius: I think that more should be included on the Grand Central North project I found a planning document for it at the back of this. Thanks.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 18:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Is there a way we can bring up the track re-numberings explained here? I didn't see any mention of it on these articles. Cards84664 (talk) 21:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Vami IV ( talk · contribs) 04:21, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use Done, Fixed, Added, Not done, Doing..., or Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. — ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:21, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
This article is... massive. This review will take a while. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:21, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius, PointsofNoReturn, and Ɱ: Review time :) – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:21, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The current structure [...] The new structure [...] The current Grand Central TerminalBoring, change these up.
Drew's efforts to short-sell Harlem and New York Central stock failed, [...]This is the first mention of any short-selling of stock.
[...] having been incorporated in 1831 [...]Is there a link that could be applied here?
Vanderbilt commissioned John B. Snook to design his new station, dubbed Grand Central Depot, on the site of the 42nd Street depot.Date plz
The site was far outside the limits of the developed city at the time, [...]First mention of this being the case in the article.
Although Vanderbilt was inspired by French Classical architecture,This links to French Baroque architecture - is there referring to a specific section of the linked article? Did you mean Neoclassicism in France?
French Baroque architecture, sometimes called French classicism, was a style of architecture. Neoclassicism is different. epicgenius ( talk) 14:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
It was considered the largest open space in the United States at the time. Grand Central Depot was the largest railroad station in the world at the time, as it contained 12 tracks and could accommodate 150 train cars at once.This can be condensed.
But the tracks laid to the new terminal proved problematic.Axe the "but" here.
The following year, [...]Replace with the year in discussion.
[...] and there was much criticism of the station's cleanliness.Lack of cleanliness?
a majestic electric-train hubPeacock-y; remove "majestic".
the terminal's windows were applied with blackout paintCondense to "the terminal's windows were blacked out".
The war also prompted the Farm Security Administration to install a 118 ft × 100 ft (36 m × 30 m) mural on the Main Concourse's east wall in 1941. The mural had a montage of photographs. It was part of a campaign to sell war bonds.Condense.
During World War II, the terminal alsoDelete this first clause.
The project restored the building's cornice; removing blackout paint applied to the skylights during World War II; installing new doors; and cleaning marble floors and walls.Make this past-tense and replace the semicolons with commas.
@ Epicgenius, PointsofNoReturn, and Ɱ: updated :) – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Each piece of new stoneWhat happened to the old pieces after their removal?
applied to the windows during World War II.Redundant, remove.
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Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius ( talk), Ɱ ( talk), and PointsofNoReturn ( talk). Nominated by Epicgenius ( talk) at 14:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC).
@ PointsofNoReturn and Ɱ: I think we should try to get this to FAC as well. I believe this is extensive enough that any gaps in the history would be insignificant. Should I request a copy edit of this page at WP:GOCE? They might catch some things we may have missed. epicgenius ( talk) 16:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ɱ:: This sentence — "The current structure was built by and named for the New York Central Railroad, though it also served the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad and has continued under New York Central's successors" — leaves the reader wondering "has continued to what?" The article Grand Central Terminal says the station "was built by and named for the New York Central Railroad; it also served the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad and, later, successors to the New York Central." I suggest we adopt that text. PRRfan ( talk) 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I made an edit to the description of the 1976 incident in which a bomb planted at Grand Central by Croatian nationalists exploded, killing a police officer. I included a "citation needed" tag and reworded some of the description. My edit was promptly reverted on the ground that three sources cited at the end of the passage supported the earlier version of the text. This is wrong, and I intend to edit the passage once again in keeping with my earlier changes.
Before my edit, the article stated the following about the incident:
On September 10, 1976, a group of Croatian nationalists planted a bomb in a coin locker at Grand Central Terminal. The group also hijacked a plane. After stating their political demands, they revealed the location and provided the instructions for disarming the Grand Central Terminal bomb. The disarming operation was not executed properly and the resulting explosion injured three New York City Police Department officers and killed one bomb squad specialist.
There are two oddities about this description. First, the three sources listed at the end of the paragraph make no mention of instructions for disarming the bomb. They say that the bombmakers left directions for finding (or, in one source, "remov[ing]") the bomb--not "disarming" it.
Second, the phrasing of the earlier version ("disarming operation was not executed properly") connotes some wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the officers tasked with disarming the bomb. None of the three sources suggests anything to that effect. The cited N.Y. Times article (an obituary of one of the bombers) states, "The police officers took the device to a bomb squad demolition range in the Bronx. There, as officers tried to defuse the bomb, it detonated, killing Officer Brian J. Murray, partly blinding Sgt. Terrence McTigue and wounding Officer Hank Dworkin and Deputy Inspector Fritz O. Behr." The cited Time magazine article states, "In extracting the bomb and the messages from the locker, New York police took successful precautions. They were not so fortunate in attempting to defuse the bomb, which was sealed in a home pressure cooker. When a detonating device failed to explode the bomb, four policemen went to have a closer look, and the bomb suddenly went off. One officer, his chest blown away, died instantly. The others were severely wounded." The cited book passage (on p.82 of Relentless Pursuit: The DSS and the Manhunt for the Al-Qaeda Terrorists) states, "A powerful bomb that had been planted in Grand Central Station exploded in a fireball of destruction that killed a detective from the NYPD Bomb Squad . . . ."
If there are other sources that support the assertions in the earlier version of the discussion of the 1976 bombing, they should be cited. These sources do not suffice. I am not a Croatian nationalist, so I have no interest in minimizing the severity of the bombing or assigning blame to the police rather than the bombmakers for the loss of life that resulted from this incident.
I have changed the text to read, "The bomb exploded as the police attempted to disarm it, injuring three NYPD officers and killing a bomb squad specialist." This version is (1) accurate, (2) supported by the cited sources, and (3) neutral as to the "blame" for the bomb's detonation. Pjb dinky ( talk) 20:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)