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Why only anglophone authors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.113.198 ( talk) 21:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've asked around and since no one had any opinion I have re-instated an article for this literary genre. I feel that the old redirect to historic novel was done hastily, and essentially limited the genre to one medium and caused some confusion among users that were redirected there. So I was bold, and here we are. Hewinsj 03:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I'm sorry if I'm using the wrong space for this, but this is my first time using a talk page, and I had trouble figuring out the system. I've created a website which lists over 2000 historical novels, organized by time and place. It also includes a list of authors with links to author websites. I think it would be a good link to add to the Historical Fiction page. It's at http://HistoricalNovels.info if you would like to consider it. Thanks! Margaret Donsbach ( talk) 20:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the link, and for your kind words about the site! This newbie to editing (though an oldie to consulting) Wikipedia appreciates your words of welcome. Margaret Donsbach ( talk) 20:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
So, there is no citation in this article, and there's been some disagreement lately (concerning another article) about just what constitutes 'historical fiction'. I did a brief search, and here is what I came up with:
It seems to me like the common point is that historical fiction is, pretty simply, fiction in a historical setting. The Historical Novel Society even counts alternate history or time-travel books as historical fiction.
So yeah, if no one has any contrary sources, I think this article should be changed accordingly; any objections? -- Xiaphias 10:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you may run into a problem with the historical drama genre, since it seems like some of the info may overlap, but it may be worth it to have a look. I also agree that a split was needed, however. María ( habla con migo) 15:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Less 'honest'y; more verisimilitude! Less passive voice! EBritannica nonwithstanding, 'stories' (='novels') do not make attempts, 'honest' or otherwise; writers do that --in the active voice if they have good editor(s). I subbed fictional for alternate because a different use of alternate (i.e., alternate history) is provided in the article below. Suggestion: Would not the (two) numbered footnotes be better as simple references --there are no quotations or challenges involved-- and perhaps more of the above references might be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbeans ( talk • contribs) 09:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not quite happy with the lengthy list of examples of authors. I removed all the non-notable entries (where neither author nor book had their own article), but the remainder is still far from optimal. Thus I'll remove Erich Maria Remarque and Dickens' Oliver Twist. In both cases the books can't properly be called "historical"; Remarque draws on personal experience, and Oliver Twist was set in the present, not in the past. I'll add Tolstoy's War and Peace and Dumas' Three Musketeers instead. I'd prefer a method to only list the "most significant" examples, but that's probably subjective, and I can't think of good criteria for significance. Huon ( talk) 15:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
A List of historical novels already exists, so I suggest that the list here are redundant and should be incorporated there and deleted. There is also a List of historical drama films, so that the same should be done with the list here. Rwood128 ( talk) 12:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to overlap considerably with Historical novel. Historical novel# Authors of the past and Historical novel#Living authors seem to cover the same ground as Historical fiction#Literature. Should we remove all novels from this article (except perhaps an example or two),since that's a subtopic? Will Beback talk 08:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the two articles need to be combined. The problem is the ambiguity of the term 'historical fiction'. This article includes in addition to the novel, films and TV. I checked
Fiction, and see that it also includes the theatre, short story, and music, and I'd add poetry. The ambiguity can best be dealt with in the lead, following the example of Fiction. And I'd suggest that the merge banner should be removed.
Rwood128 (
talk) 13:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
(Note that the heading of that went with the above was erroneous)
Rwood128 (
talk) 13:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I removed "Critical Reception" section as it was patently false- Is it unusual for a fiction genre to be embraced by mainstream critics? Represented an odd, personal POV and it was unsupported by the attached citation, which was merely an article listing last years Booker Prize nominees.
Two new paragraphs have been added to the lead of this article, that seem to be discussing films that fall into the historical fiction genre. We aren't supposed to introduce new information to an article via the lead, so is there any way we can move this into the body of the article? Hewinsj ( talk) 10:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Is historical fiction a genre that anyone studies seriously? Insofar as it is studied seriously:
Does the genre imply a setting outside living memory?
In contrast, may even autobiographical fiction qualify? -- P64 ( talk) 00:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of historical-fiction. It might be useful to look at [8] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 23:31, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
The definition section is in fact on just the historical novel. Rwood128 ( talk) 14:01, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I propose that the merge proposal is reversed and that this article be merged with the Historical novel. I know that the presence of the media content makes this a little illogical, but that can first be deleted -- there is no real substance to this content -- and this side of things is already being better dealt with elsewhere in the linked articles, though maybe an article Historical drama film or Historical film is needed (both of these now lead to List of historical drama films). Rwood128 ( talk) 13:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I note that all the external links use the term 'historical fiction' as a synonym for 'historical novel'. Therefore, unless there's an objection I suggest that the merge should be completed. Rwood128 ( talk) 11:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Neither article seems very complete as yet. Historical fiction ought to include plays, as well as novels. The merger does not seem wise to me, especially as plays are not addressed in either article now. If material is duplicated, cut it short in one article or the other, and build up other topics. I am not a literature expert, just a reader who really likes historical fiction that is well done, for history and for plot and characters. This article now titled Historical fiction could do with a section on plays, and someone to fix the incomplete sentences (I would, but I cannot figure out what is meant.) I am not clear about films, if they belong here or rate separate treatment. The manner of telling the tale is so different in film -- especially when it is based on a book. The film will introduce errors of history that the author of the novel did not make (thinking of television adaptations of Brother Cadfael novels, where points of belief (mercy killing) were altered against history, making the adaptation less than the original. Rewriting history in science fiction, that is a stretch to me, for inclusion with proper historical fiction. The dissenting author who thinks Jane Austen's novels are historical fiction, is, I hope, a minority view, and labelled as such. Patrick O'Brian has Jane Austen's works to inform his writing style for the same period, but he wrote 160 to 190 years after the facts. It is the wiser voice who knows that Dickens wrote two historical novels, Barnaby Rudge and Tale of Two Cities. The rest were set in his time, starting back a bit so his characters can grow up. My two cents. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 14:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Taken literally this, however, would just cause confusion. Rwood128 ( talk) 20:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Rwood128 ( talk) 13:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The merge seems to be opposed -- though the two articles, as they now stand, deal with the same subject. Furthermore no one seems to be interested in developing a new article for historical drama, or expanding that topic within this article. Historical movies has a List class article. Does anyone have any further thoughts, or should the merge banners be removed? Rwood128 ( talk) 22:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
There is already an article on the History play and a category Historical drama films. The topic of historical fiction might more appropriately be developed in the article Fiction. Rwood128 ( talk) 19:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I will remove the merge proposal, in view of the above comments, if there's no objection. The lede should however be revised. Rwood128 ( talk) 16:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The sub-heading 'Antiquity' needs to be clarified as it is ambiguous. Rwood128 ( talk) 12:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Surely works like the following are better described as adventure novels: Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island (1883) and Captain Blood (1922) by Rafael Sabatini.
I will remove them unless there are objections. Rwood128 ( talk) 11:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm still not happy with how this is placed in the middle of the article. Shouldn't it be treated as an appendix and placed at the end, or, as I've already suggested, perhaps it should be turned into a new article? The current placement disrupts the article, and there is the potential for this section to become much longer (ignoring the possibility of additional lists for plays, films and TV shows). Rwood128 ( talk) 14:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
This list is in fact similar to the list that already exists on for the UK section of List of historical novels. I suggest that a merge should, therefore, be made and this one deleted --and a direct link created. Rwood128 ( talk) 17:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC) -- Sorry, of course, the list here isn't just for the UK. Rwood128 ( talk) 22:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
@ Rwood128:@ Alxtye: @ Mogism: Guys let's make the template clearer and concentrate on the novels outlines, themes, etc, and reactualise the whole subgenres, corresponding to the literary exemples, without overweighing them. Lets make the article a whole redirecting point to all things historical fiction related ones. Let's try to make a portal of it. All the best regards: The Mad Hatter ( talk)
@ Mogism: @ Rwood128: Hello, do you think we can... merge historical drama and period piece in a way? Can we merge it under one umbrella? I realise historical drama is redirected into the main article, can we however make it more significant and more impressive in a way? Wait, I think I have a solution. Kindest regards: The Mad Hatter ( talk)
@ Mogism: Hey I need help on sorting the categories and the remaining data in the stuff around the historical fiction movies c'est-a-dire the historical period drama that was newly created and updated by me.
@ Mad Hatter: Where did you get those categories of historical fiction? I have been reading scholarship on historical fiction for 3+ years, and have never seen any of those terms as central to their description. You seem to be describing one element (conceits related to the setting/context), not actual styles or themes. Sadads ( talk) 16:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Sadads: They existed before. There was historical fantasy before, there was sea story and historical whodunnit... before. I am... trying. I really wanted to cut them out. I tried to put some new things and categorization. You can join us into building it. I felt I should have divded them by... context. :) We and several others are trying to bring historical fiction at the core make whole Project of it. I am sorry, I just wanted to sort them out, we can discuss and improve, but it is making further expansion as we speak, you are free to make any contribution. I hope you can keep the original, because I feel my time is limited into editing... everything. :)
(1) Doesn't "Historical biographies of historical persons" belong in the sub-genre section?
(2) The section "Styles and themes" might better be treated as a continuation of the previous section, "Historical novels — development", but without any of the distracting sub-headings. Rwood128 ( talk) 12:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll try and work on this, especially re the French authors, where I did some cut and paste work. Rwood128 ( talk) 16:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Rwood128 and Sadads: Hello guys, this is Chavdar, I made a whole Historical fiction portal. Can you help me maintain it and update it, it is my first portal and it is under construction. Please help to maintain and update it as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Literature and let's make a Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical fiction.
Many (most?) historical novels are also historical romances, though the term novel doesn't seem appropriate for works like War and Peace and Buddenbrooks. See "Definition" [10]. Perhaps this needs clarifying. Rwood128 ( talk) 14:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Thaddeus of Warsaw by Jane Porter is considered by some critics to be an historical novel, even though it was published in 1803 and deals with events in the 1790s (eg. [11] and [12]). Margaret Doody, in The True Story of the Novel, p. 295, seems also to share this opinion.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter, and in particular a good source that provides a clear definition of this alternate form of historical fiction. See also, Talk page for "Thaddeus of Warsaw": [13]. Rwood128 ( talk) 13:40, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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There seems to be some serious confusion in the sections as far as categorizing into the forms of art. For example: (1) The section Historical fiction in performing arts contains the subsection Historically based comics and graphic novels, where graphic novels or any from of illustrated art for that matter is NOT a performing art. (2) The section Historical fiction in the visual arts contains subsections on plays, opera and reenactments which on the other hands ARE performing arts. Any other contributors kindly share your take; I'm considering editing and reclassifying the sections as appropriate. — DA1 ( talk) 02:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
In the 19th century section I changed "The Scarlet Letter (1850) by Nathaniel Hawthorne...is, perhaps, the most famous 19th-century American historical novel." to "The Scarlet Letter (1850) by Nathaniel Hawthorne...is one of the most famous 19th-century American historical novels." My sense is that if you need to include "perhaps" in a claim of noteworthiness and don't have the references to claim something is "the most famous" then it should be "one of the most famous" unless you'd rather say "many historians consider it to be the most famous," in which case the reference would need to say so. I didn't write the original sentence and I'm not a The Scarlet Letter expert, so I may have misstepped in my re-writing of it. I welcome others to further revise. That said, I recommend against indecisive language in making claims of noteworthiness. - Dugan Murphy ( talk) 02:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Expanding the series list to include
We Were There series I Survived series 107.197.56.204 ( talk) 15:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The unofficial category of Modern Historical Fiction would include many novels written in recent years, set in the relatively recent past, such as the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s. These books are neither contemporary nor technically historical. Examples include Malibu Rising by Taylor Jenkins Reid and Distorted Perceptions by Paula Puddephatt. 86.15.129.200 ( talk) 22:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)