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Should government sectors in developing countries promote higher education for adults or should efforts be concentrated on the younger population and the preparation for the retirement of adults?
- - Occasionally, it is argued that higher education is no longer necessarly as it become obsolete soon after graduation. This observation is raised of a couple of reasons; - - * Industry changes are so fast these days that a particular know how is only relevant for a short time before it is obsoleted by the next fad. - * The Internet has made information so pervasive that one can understand and undertake most jobs that previously required training after a short on line search. - * Globalization has lead to a decreased emphasis on research as both governments and industries have pursued cost cuttting to the hilt. Employers therefore value an employees who can provide an narrow immediate skill than a broad knowledge but no specific skill. This is ironic in that most government leaders are trying to move their governments to information economy. For example, this is the primary goal for Lisbon Agenda. - * The observation may be driven by delusion as higher education no longer garantee employment as it used to be in the past. - * As governments have cut back on education spending, some higher education have baised their teaching material to a specific vendor in an attempt to secure funding. This however reduce the durability of awarded diploma as its validity is rigidly tied to a particular vendor. - - Despite these observations, higher education especially in universities is still important. Higher education, when well delivered, is supposed to educate the candidate how to acquire a necessary skill and why a specific way of dealing with a problem is superior to an alternative. This is possible as higher education allows one to face a problem from a holistic point of view. Higher education also helps fill information gap, which is very pervasive in skilled but uneducated employees.
Some relevant facts
Just some points that may looks really obvious some years to come, but can't currently be entered in wikipedia. Note, I completely understand why western countries trimmed their education budgets, but I can't help feeling they are misguided for putting too much of their future on IP given these facts. Just my two cents
I temporarily move the text below here. The subject deserves a discussion, possibly even in a separate article, but the particular text below has not found its proper context in the current state of this article. (This unsigned comment was from me -- Yuzz 23:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC))
Sacred Heart University of Fairfield, Connecticut, was founded in 1963 by a group of laypersons with the leadership of the Most Reverend Walter W. Curtis, Bishop of Bridgeport, Connecticut. Sacred Heart is the first institution of Catholic higher education established to be administered by the laity.
I think the two articles should be merged. Post-secondary education defines itself as higher education in the article so it should be merged. -- Noetic Sage 17:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
→Keep Post-secondary education is split into Further Education (FE) and Higher Education (HE). FE is GCE A-Level, Scottish Higher and other non undergraduate post-16 awards. HE is under- and post-graduate courses such as degrees and HNDs. The subjects are not the same. -- Andy Hartley 12:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
→Keep There is a clear (legal) distinction between Further Education and Higher Education. The article could do with a re-write to make that a little more apparent. I agree with the above that it not appropriate to merge the articles. Jhamez 84 01:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
→Keep Don't merge things just because one of them has the definition wrong! ;) Perhaps it's just that the post-secondary education article needs some work. – Kieran T ( talk | contribs) 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
→Keep I agree with Andy and others. Tertiary education should have a short entry explaining that it is what comes after secondary education, and including cross references to further education and higher education. 'Higher education' is a very widely used concept around the world. Ginevradabenci ( talk) 12:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Post-secondary education could refer to any form of education after completing one's Secondary Education. This could be job training, certification (such as HVAC technician), vocational-technical, or Higher Education. While often used synonimously, they are not. Higher Education refers to a degree from a college or university. Elwood64151 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Higher education could definitely have a criticism section, from multiple viewpoints. I know here in the US it's seen as a sad joke from people of all poitical persuasions. - MSTCrow 03:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a distinction between post-secondary education and higher education. Examine:
In many places outside the U.S., there is a notion of a level of education above compulsory secondary education but lower than university-level higher education. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 00:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC) I concur - can this merge be undone, and a disambiguation section created please? Stormac ( talk) 21:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
While that section is interesting, I don't think it belongs on a general page about higher education around the globe. I think it should be relocated.
Concerned Scientist says : 1) The above observation is completely alien to me - but where would the person advise that it be relocated to?
2) PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS (JUST USE ConcernedScientist 17:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC) )
ConcernedScientist 17:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the List of Higher Education Institutions by Region does NOT include the UK. Is there any reason for why Higher Education within the UK is not included ? (of course, I suppose it is just waiting for someone to add it)
I haven't had too much time to review this particular Higher Education wiki (or think about how UK Higher Education institutions would work out) – but this would be a good thing to do at some point.
ConcernedScientist 17:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
On the second paragraph:
"Deciding to further your education and attain a degree tends to improve many aspects of life. People with college degrees tend to earn more money and salary increases over the years are more substantial than for those that do not have a college degree or university degree. Additionally..."
From then on, the thing's packed with vague positives. ("Tends to improve many aspects of life"--which ones?) It also addresses the reader in the second person ("The Occupational Outlook Handbook is a wonderful tool that you can use in various ways.")
Clearly, college can be useful, but this makes it sound a bit a college brochure. Do we edit it for tone and length, or just cut it out altogether? The bit about it impacting salary strikes me as valid enough.
Kennard2 09:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I think the entire section should be cut. If someone wants to add a section regarding the salary content the so be it but I don't think it should be under the section "General". Bmstephany 19:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
For uses of "tertiary education" to mean all education past secondary – Colleges of F.E., undergraduate courses, graduate courses, etc. – see Australia, Greece, Mauritius, new Zealand, Trinidad & Tobago, the [2], the World Bank, and this journal). See also the Analytic Quality Glossary definition and description (which also includes reference to the "third-level" synonym),
I've merged the maetrial from the "tertiary education" article, and redirected it here. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 10:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Given that all the good information from Tertiary_education is here, and that I'm proposing that that page merge with this one. By the way, Post_secondary Education has been merged into this page, but it still has a seperate talk page. Is that correct? GumbyProf: "I'm about ideas, but I'm not always about good ideas." 20:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
With no consensus, I am removing the merge proposal banners from the articles. -- Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) 16:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Could the merge be undone and a disambiguation section be created please? Stormac ( talk) 21:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Several institutions claiming to be of higher education are not and are deceiving thousands of people. Please address this. 199.117.69.8 ( talk) 19:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why these are omitted from any mention under "Types" of higher education?
Please forgive me if I haven't done this right. I have never edited or posted anything on Wikipedia before.
-- 64.24.152.3 ( talk) 18:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.72.73.3 ( talk) 19:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The article for anti-intellectualism does not address the viewpoint several people including myself have of valuing knowledge but opposing the elitist, greedy, snobbish, aristocratic, and oftentimes hypocritic collegiate and university establishments and we question the validity of their academic degrees, curriculum, tuition fees, and methods of grading. We also oppose the judging of a person's value based on which places of higher learning they attended, if any at all. We oppose the whole idea of credentials actually. 199.117.69.60 ( talk) 00:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
One good source is Upton Sinclair's book called The Goose-Step (1923) where he proves that “Our educational system is not a public service, but an instrument of special privilege; its purpose is not to further the welfare of mankind, but merely to keep America capitalist." And "That our six hundred thousand young people are being taught, deliberately and of set purpose, not wisdom but folly, not justice but greed, not freedom but SLAVERY, not love but hate." They teach greed, folly, slavery & hate (Capitalism). Stars4change ( talk) 00:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
"Note that in North America, but not in Canada, the word "college" is very often used as a synonym for "university", especially in efficient conversation, for the simple reason that "college" is a two-syllable word, whereas "university" is five syllables long." Citation for this would be good. Personally, I think that the reasons why people say "college" instead of "university" is considerably more complicated and, unless there is a reference provided, this whole statement should be removed. Jimjamjak ( talk) 10:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Tertiary education in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylwia Ufnalska ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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I do not find the image that Rrodic/Mosalman has prominently placed at the top of the article is an iconic image of a US university. It is not immediately recognizable (it's now used for administrative purposes) and, as US universities go, fairly recent. I have no particular preference, but find the images congested and arbitrary, perhaps better placed in a gallery. The Harvard image was added in October 2011 and remained there until three or four days ago. The image from Cambridge, the first to be added, is iconic. Mathsci ( talk) 06:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Actually I'm neutral about the merge, but since my edit of Higher education was reverted, I would like to request for more opinions. Quest for Truth ( talk) 08:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Right now, the article addresses some differences in higher education in different places (mostly English-speaking), but does so rather haphazardly. In order to make it more feasible to reflect global differences in higher ed, it seems like it would be helpful to consider a re-organization. Can anyone suggest a model article that takes on a topic like this with a good coverage of global variation? AngelaVietto ( talk) 18:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
The picture of a place in Fez being called as the "oldest university" is pretty much an exaggeration. There are seven editors at that article who have successfully defended against its removal. However, the concept of a university was not encompassed until the Middle Ages, in Europe, as listed in List of oldest universities in continuous operation. Neither is it listed at List of the oldest madrasahs in continuous operation in the Muslim world. There are more and neutrals eyes there. Guinness as a WP:RS? "Record for eating the most peanuts at one sitting?" That Guinness? I don't think so.
A madrassah, anyway, is more like a Bible school than a university. Student7 ( talk) 20:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
This article needs to have more juice to the topic. It only gives you statistics and bland definitions of what higher education is. It basically is reader’s digest for dummies. The need to add more opposing views and give you options for discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.206.224 ( talk) 16:52, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I see that nearly all the captions to the photographs refer to "institution of higher learning" rather than "institution of higher education". Now I realize that to some institution of higher learning might be the preferred term, even so "institution of higher education" turns up 13 million google hits compared to only half a million for institution of higher learning. Would anybody care to comment? Everybody got to be somewhere! ( talk) 16:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
"institution of higher learning" -site:wikipedia.org
and "institution of higher education" -site:wikipedia.org
and then clicked to the end to see how many pages of results there were for each, and there were 32 pages of results for "institution of education" and 38 pages for "institution of higher learning", which is only a difference of ~60 websites. IMO that's a negligible difference in the grand scheme of life. When I googled both phrases in the same search, I found a lot of universities using both interchangeably in their mission statements and the
Code of Virginia says, "For purposes of this section: 'Institution of higher learning' means any post-secondary school, trade or professional institution, or institution of higher education."
Maryland and
Pakistan both have an office called the "Higher Education Commission". It doesn't seem like there's a clear preference to me (and we haven't even started talking about websites that prefer institiute of higher education/learning), so I think we should go by the old adage, "Don't fix what's not broken". Maybe a lot of the pictures were uploaded/labeled by the same person who was used to saying "institution of higher learning".
—PermStrump
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Greetings to everybody: I want to propose the addition of the International Handbook of Education 2017 The available option are as follows
Both Options are available for free, compiled in a book, actually also available in a Paperback option in AMAZON [3] UNESCO International Handbook of Universities 2017
I published here, but another editor felt it was non enciclopedic, and UNDO the changes. Thanks for feedbacks Taesulkim ( talk) 19:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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I note that the issue on this page has not been addressed. It is entirely US-centric- may I propose that it is renamed Higher Education in the United States freeing the title to approach the topic from the UNESCO Tertiary education ( ISCED levels 5 to 8) definition. "International Standard Classification of Education (ISCED)". uis.unesco.org. Retrieved 29 November 2018.. See also: European Qualifications Framework
That said the residual article has problems with referencing, factual accuracy, over-linking and focus. The quality code needs to be revised downwards.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 23:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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The section with this title consisted of the following, which I have removed, since it discusses U.S. history only, which is obviously misleading - see, for example, List of oldest universities in continuous operation, which discusses universities in operation for many hundreds of years before the U.S. even came into existence.
There are undeniably certain kinds of knowledge that must be of a general nature and, more importantly, a certain cultivation of the mind and character that nobody can afford to be without. People obviously cannot be good craftworkers, merchants, soldiers or businessmen unless, regardless of their occupation, they are good, upstanding and – according to their condition – well-informed human beings and citizens. If this basis is laid through schooling, vocational skills are easily acquired later on, and a person is always free to move from one occupation to another, as so often happens in life.Günther, Karl-Heinz (1988). "Profiles of educators: Wilhelm von Humboldt (1767–1835)". Prospects. 18: 127–136. doi: 10.1007/BF02192965.
-- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I have my own theories on how this article got into such an appalling mess. I have left inline comments. I moved stuff from the lead to main, and littered the text with {{cn}}. There is one country specific section that needs to be floated (and then copy-edited)- I could do it, but I would prefer someone else to take ownership. The topic is not just about bricks and mortar but should have a high economic and sociological input too. ClemRutter ( talk) 14:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Howa many language of insruction in Higher education in the world? Are anywhere list of these languages?-- Kaiyr ( talk) 17:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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